User talk:Tvchannellists/Archive 1

Spam

I'd really like to help with spam and other abuse as the wiki is getting flooded. XY007 (talk) 18:10, 23 February 2015 (AEDT)

Something should be done to try and stop the spam. Spam accounts are being created on a daily basis. ReCaptcha is useless for preventing it. Try using QuestyCaptcha. If that doesn't stop it then try changing the questions. 31.116.108.66 00:40, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

I had QuestCaptcha on previously, and changed the questions numerous times, but the spam always came back after a period. I'll try QuestyCaptcha again and see if it's any better now. Tvchannellists (talk) 10:49, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

So I've changed it to QuestyCaptcha and put new questions in. Pretty much immediately, there's been new spam, so I'm guessing the spammers have humans filling in the Captchas. Tvchannellists (talk) 14:53, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

We are starting to see a practice on Wikipedia of page vandalism. I had to revert a number of edits to the DirecTV United States lineup page because an IP address is vandalising the page changing channels to non-US version which are not on DirecTV, and even changed the Sonic channels back to Sirius XM channels which have been gone from DirecTV for over 5 years. You may have to consider restricting editing ability as Wikipedia does when pages are vandalized by the placement of false information.--Longislandmedia (talk) 21:27, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing this issue to my attention, Longislandmedia. In the first instance, I'll send the user a notice via their talk page. If they continue to post incorrect information, I will block the IP address. If the vandalism continues even after that, I'll have to see how to implement editing ability. Tvchannellists (talk) 12:03, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Wanting to create Frontier U-Verse page

While I recently updated the AT&T Y-Verse page, but it still reflects the inclusion of the Connecticut systems which were sold to Frontier Communications. I wanted to create a separate Frontier U-Verse page using the AT&T template so that I could adjust it to reflect the variations in the Frontier systems since some channels that are on AT&T U-Verse were dropped from the Frontier line-ups and they still offer Music Choice instead of switching to Stingray like AT&T did. At which point, the AT&T line-up would be adjusted to reflect the removal of regional sports networks that are only carried on the Connecticut systems which they no longer operate. Longislandmedia (talk) 16:32, 22 June 2015 (AEDT)

Feel free to make the changes. This Wiki is mostly user-contributed, so there's no need to ask me to make the changes. Tvchannellists (talk) 08:49, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

I tacked the Frontier line-up on the bottom of the page, but it probably should be split to its own page like the FiOS lineup is.

UPC to Virgin Media

Would it be possible for you to merge the history of List of channels on UPC (Ireland) into the newly created List of channels on Virgin Media (Ireland) as the user who carried out the changes has manually moved the data from the old page to the new one instead of using the move function. Jr.2k14 (talk) 18:33, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Hi Jr.2k14. I've restored the history onto the new page. Tvchannellists (talk) 06:45, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

User: Nevalamd

I just reverted a number of edits on the DirecTV page where this user replaced some of the channel information with fake and wrong information, Just giving you a heads up.--Longislandmedia (talk) 20:05, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know, Longislandmedia. I have posted a warning on the user's page and any subsequent vandalism will result in a permanent ban. Tvchannellists (talk) 00:21, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Check some of the stuff he is posting now. Other than the XM channel page which is a decade out of date, he is creating pages for non-existent DirecTV services in Japan and Mexico. In Mexico, DirecTV's presence is through the 41% stake in SKY Mexico that it owns. The user has also created a fake XM satellite radio in Japan page. These things can be fact-checked. --Longislandmedia (talk) 06:50, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the update, Longislandmedia. I have banned the user. As you know those providers better than I do, please feel free to revert/delete the pages as you deem necessary. Tvchannellists (talk) 11:04, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

Deletion for lineup changes.

I have gone through and deleted those pages. Tvchannellists (talk) 07:23, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Can you delete those pages for me please?

List of Line-Up Changes on Frontier U-verse from the 2000s. I see no one edit this page.
List of Line-Up Changes on Frontier U-verse from the 2010s. No one but one user can edit.
List of Line-Up Changes on Frontier FiOS from the 2000s. - No one couldn't edit.
List of Line-Up Changes on Frontier FiOS from the 2010s. - No one would know what would happen next in the future.

Can you provide a reason as to why you want them deleted? Also, please sign your posts by using four tildes. Tvchannellists (talk) 15:37, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Excuse me, I signed those posts already.

By signing, I mean typing ~~~~ after your message so that your user name or IP address and the time you posted shows up in the message (like at the end of this message). Regarding the deletion of those pages:

* List of Line-Up Changes on Frontier U-verse from the 2000s – including your edits, there have been 9 edits so far this year, so there are edits.

* List of Line-Up Changes on Frontier U-verse from the 2010s – you've made numerous edits to that page this year. Longislandmedia has also made edits to the page.

* List of Line-Up Changes on Frontier FiOS from the 2000s – given that this page is for a previous decade, since the content is already there, if it's complete, then there's no need to edit it.

* List of Line-Up Changes on Frontier FiOS from the 2010s – this page also includes the past 6 years (2010–2016), so it's not only the future.

If more users support the deletion, I will consider it then. Tvchannellists (talk) 03:53, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

IP >vandalism on List of Verizon Fios changes in the 2000's.

There are two IP addresses posting false information on this page. They are trying to endlessly assert that Verizon Fios added Boomerang Latin America and Teletoon Canada and a non-existent Discovery Toons channel in September, 2009. Every time I have removed the false information, another IP address puts the false information back in. See what you can do to stop this. --Longislandmedia (talk) 00:33, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the message, Longislandmedia. The IP addresses trying to change that information originate from California – one IP address from California State University and a number of IP addresses from T-Mobile. Despite the different IP addresses, I assume it's the same person, as IP addresses on mobile devices are not static and change frequently. Unfortunately, that makes it difficult for me to block that person. I would have to block the entire IP range, which would affect others using T-Mobile. Given the need to block the entire IP range, for now, I will put a notice on the talk page for "List of Line-Up Changes on Verizon FiOS from the 2000s" regarding this issue. If it persists, let me know, and I might have no choice but to block that entire T-Mobile IP address range to prevent the vandalism. Tvchannellists (talk) 09:28, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

I had to revert the vandalism again today. Someone seems to get a kick out of reposting that false information. --Longislandmedia (talk) 23:35, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

I've blocked the particular IP address that made the edit. Like last time, the IP address is registered to California State University, so most likely, it's the same person. Tvchannellists (talk) 01:08, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

And it happened again today.

This time, the vandalism has come from a different IP address (99.109.90.90; AT&T; Los Angeles, CA). I assume it's the same person since all of the vandalism occurs from IP addresses around Los Angeles. 99.109.90.90, however, has made many contributions to this wiki since 2014, so I'm not sure why the person feels the need to insist with posting this false information alongside all their other edits. I have put a notice on their talk page and will block this IP address also, if the vandalism continues. Tvchannellists (talk) 08:52, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

Since I last mentioned it, there have been 3 false edits which I have reverted. This page may need a Wikipedia protection where IP addresses can't edit the page to prevent vandalism. --Longislandmedia (talk) 16:20, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

The false information had to be reverted 3 times today, so this is a more deliberate trolling effort.--Longislandmedia (talk) 18:11, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

I have limited the page to be edited by autoconfirmed users only. If you can no longer edit the page, let me know so that I can adjust the settings. I have also posted a final warning for the user. Tvchannellists (talk) 01:21, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

Can you unblock the page please now?

If you don't keep re-adding the false information, then, yes. If you agree, let me know and I'll unprotect it. Tvchannellists (talk) 17:16, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

I'll promise I won't add any false info and I will understand this.

I have removed the protection on a trial basis. If there's any more false information added, the protection will go back on. Tvchannellists (talk) 03:58, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

It didn't take long, but now people are posting that Discovery Kids was replaced by Nicktoons even though it's already on channel 254 at that time. So, they are asserting that Nicktoons was on both 254 AND 259 for a period of time.--Longislandmedia (talk) 17:54, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

Protection has been reapplied—indefinitely. Further requests for removal of protection will be ignored, unless I'm provided with a good reason otherwise. Tvchannellists (talk) 06:24, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

Can you unblock the page now?

Given that you posted more false information on the page after your last request to unblock the page and your promise not to, the page is staying protected, unless you can give me good reason otherwise. Tvchannellists (talk) 04:19, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

I won't add false info for this.

That's what you said last time, so how is it any different this time?

I'll add some important info that channels were renamed, removed, and replaced by.

You were one of the ones who posted false information as well. --Longislandmedia (talk) 19:11, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

I promise I won't add any false info about Discovery Kids, Boomerang, or Nicktoons on the list. If I do that again, I'll be grounded from the website.

Ok, but this is the last time I'm unprotecting this page. If there's any more false information, this page will be on protection—permanently. Tvchannellists (talk) 14:05, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Apparently, 99.109.90.90 cannot keep a promise because I reverted another posting of false information. --Longislandmedia (talk) 19:12, 24 April 2016 (UTC) And then another one on that same listing. --Longislandmedia (talk) 07:04, 25 April 2016 (UTC) If he continues this, he should be permanently blocked.

The page is now permanently on protection. If there are any further reports of vandalism by 99.109.90.90 (and associated IP addresses), he will also receive a permanent ban. Tvchannellists (talk) 15:35, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Verizon FiOS page vandalism

99.109.90.90 screwed up the Channel List for FiOS. He combined the sections of channels (1-99, 100-199, etc) into one giant one, for no reason. This made it much harder to read. He also removed important notes about certain national feeds of RSNs. I reverted the (many) edits, but could you protect the FiOS Channel List page too? Branch (talk) 19:44, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

I've made a note about your comments on his Talk page. If it happens again, I will turn on the page protection. Tvchannellists (talk) 01:35, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Happening again, can you protect? Thanks! Branch (talk) 01:26, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

I've added the protection to the page now. Tvchannellists (talk) 11:56, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

List of Verizon FiOS New York Specific Channels

Can "List of Verizon FiOS New York Specific Channels" be deleted? There is no need for a list region-specific local channels. Especially, if we don't have all the regions. Just the national FiOS Channel list is enough. Branch (talk)

Someone could create the lists for the other regions if they know the other line-ups and is wiling to build them.--Longislandmedia (talk) 02:58, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

According to the site's analytics, there were more than 1000 visits to the page in the past month. Given there seems to be a demand for the information and there's no benefit in removing it, I would lean towards keeping it. It also seems to be fairly well maintained. Tvchannellists (talk) 11:22, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Don't do LA & Palm Springs-- they're getting transferred to Frontier in 60 days. I can do some, mostly MD/DC. And let's keep it by state, not city. We also don't need region specific line-up changes. Just having the current lineup should be enough. Branch (talk) 21:45, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

The FL & TX systems are also going to Frontier as well in that period which will just leave Verizon with its footprint in the Northeast. The New York lineup only applies to the New York Metropolitan Area since FiOS also has a presence in Albany, Syracuse, and Buffalo. The Northern and Central NJ lineups along with Greenwich, CT are similar to New York with minor variations. --Longislandmedia (talk) 09:38, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

This is part of the problem-- it's really complex to have all the locals listed-- and it seems weird to just have NYC. Branch (talk) 01:53, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

I still think it should be deleted. Realistically, no one has time to make one for all the territories FiOS covers, and it's weird just to have NYC. Very few (if any) other of the providers have them Branch (talk) 23:12, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

To resolve this issue, it is now being put to a vote, as per Wikipedia. If a majority votes for it to be deleted, it will be. Discuss and vote here: Talk:List_of_Verizon_FiOS_New_York_Specific_Channels Tvchannellists (talk) 05:18, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

It's been two weeks and there's only been one vote – keep. As there were no votes for the deletion of the page, the page will be kept. Tvchannellists (talk) 11:56, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Just noticed that Branch voted for deletion, which places it at a tie. In which case, I'll keep the vote open for a bit longer to see if there are any other votes that have yet to come in. Tvchannellists (talk) 11:58, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Since LongIslandMedia is the only one other than me who cares, what about a compromise: it stays, albeit archived. Unless/until we get more regional lineups for FiOS, the main FiOS channel lineup won't link to it. Is that ok? Branch (talk) 21:36, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

That's fine by me. I've linked to it in the miscellaneous pages at the bottom of the front page. Tvchannellists (talk) 23:14, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Colors Standardization?

Is there a list of what colors are for what channels? If not, there should be, and colors should be standardized. If there is, where is it, and can it be put on all channel lists so people can more easily see it. Branch (talk) 21:51, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

When I created the pages originally, there used to be a list, but someone decided to delete it. Since then, different people have been using different colours for different things. Feel free to propose/develop a standardised list – then it can be applied to all of the pages. Tvchannellists (talk) 01:43, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

If I made a standardized list of colors, could it be easily applied? If not, then what's the point? No one has the time to comb through and change everything. Branch (talk) 01:53, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

I suppose you could just apply them to the pages that you're updating. At least, then, those particular pages will have consistencies and keys. Tvchannellists (talk) 02:19, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

But if it's not the same all over, it doesn't seem to solve the problem. Maybe someone will feel like doing this, but that person would need a lot of free time. Branch (talk) 03:57, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Would people be willing to implant this if I made a list of colors? Branch (talk) 01:25, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

I can't speak for the other editors of the wiki, but you could just put it in and hopefully, others will be consistent with it. Tvchannellists (talk) 11:56, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Alright, I'll work on it. Branch (talk) 14:35, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

WYSIWYG Editor

Wikipedia recently took their WYSIWYG editor out of beta. Could we get one on this site? Branch (talk) 01:25, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

I'll look into getting this implemented. There doesn't appear to an easy one-click type way to add it. Tvchannellists (talk) 11:56, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

This link may help: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/VisualEditor Branch (talk) 15:36, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

I've had a look at VisualEditor and it requires the Parsoid service to work. As this site is on shared hosting and I don't have direct access to the server, it's not possible for me to get Parsoid running on it. The two options would be either to get the site a dedicated server (which would speed the website up as well, but would increase the website's operating expenses significantly) or to run Parsoid on a different server, which looks very complicated based on the description provided here. Even though I would like to implement a WYSIWYG editor on the website, I don't really see an easy way of doing so – unless someone here can provide advice on an easier way to implement a WYSIWYG editor. Tvchannellists (talk) 03:55, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

I assume you made sure that the shared hosting you use doesn't support this? It looks like it just needs "node.js" running. I understand completely if this can't happen-- but it would be awesome if it could. Branch (talk) 21:51, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

I managed to get it working using a third-party host; however, it was very slow and crashed after just a few minutes due to the complexity of the pages on this wiki. As such, I've turned it back off. Tvchannellists (talk) 03:50, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

That's annoying. I really hope we can find a way to get it to work! Branch (talk) 21:33, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Probably the only way would be to move the site to VPS hosting with more resources; however, unfortunately, as previously mentioned, that would add a fair bit of recurring expenditure to running the website. Tvchannellists (talk) 23:14, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

More Vandalism

I just reverted another change that a certain IP address had made on the DirecTV channel changes in the 2010's page because he made a change which falsely indicated that DirecTV would directly be moving IFC and removing the fact that it is spending a month on both channels. While this poster will put accurate information in, he has a tendency to make these changes that put false information in, and if he gets called on it he doubles down, a perfect example were all the false September, 2009 Verizon Fios changes that he put in. Maybe it is time to consider a permanent block. --Longislandmedia (talk)

Owing to the continued complaints regarding this contributor, as an initial measure, I have applied a two-week block to his IP address. If there are any further complaints after his block expires, a permanent ban will be applied. Tvchannellists (talk) 03:36, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

I just spotted more IP vandalism from several IP address in the 172.50.30 and 172.50.31 ranges. I checked the Lyngsat Sky Mexico listing since I was auspicious about the Los Angeles station on SKY Mexico and the channels were not listed. Whether this is a different vandal or our friend using another IP address, I thought to bring it to your attention. --Longislandmedia (talk) 20:22, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

I believe I've blocked the 175.50.30 and 172.50.31 ranges by applying a block to 172.56.30.0/23; hopefully, this will address the issue. I notice that there are two more edits to the Sky Mexico page after your rollback from the same IP address – I'm not sure if those additional edits contain false information also. —Tvchannellists (talk) 02:37, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Our friend 99.109.90.90 is making edits to the FiOS Channel Changes pages and not following the convention (putting HD and SD on the same line, for convience). He's undoing a lot of hard work. Protection, please? and maybe consider another ban? Branch (talk) 23:39, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

I've added a note to the Talk page and have added the protection. Since the edits weren't blatant incorrect information, this will be a warning as opposed to a ban. However, if it repeats, or if there is posting of false information, then a ban will be applied. Tvchannellists (talk) 01:26, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

He's now doing those changes on the AT&T U-Verse channel changes pages as well.--Longislandmedia (talk) 07:54, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt in case he didn't see the note on the FiOS line-up changes and have posted the note directly on his talk page. If it re-occurs, a 30-day ban, double the previous ban, will be imposed. Additional breaches will result in bans of doubling duration (i.e. 60, 120, 240 days, etc.). Tvchannellists (talk) 08:44, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

i Just reverted some vandalism on the DirecTV page from a different IP address who garbled all the listings for channels 600-799. --Longislandmedia (talk) 03:19, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the notification and reversion. If there is any further vandalism from this IP address, I'll block it. The IP address appears to originate from Ontario, Canada. Tvchannellists (talk) 12:31, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

More spam

Another Indian human spammer joined. Cable viewer (talk) 21:00, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the notification. A permanent ban has been applied. Tvchannellists (talk) 01:49, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

Canadian line-ups

I just figured you would know since there were notes on the line=ups being out of date since they were still variants of the old Wikipedia pages. The Shaw Direct lineup page has been updated and I have started working on the Bell lineup page. Due to the nature of Bell's services, I had to blow it up and am in the process of rebuilding it in order to update it. Even though they are similar, there are enough differences which will result in the Bell Satellite and Bell Fibe lineups being split to reflect the variations between the two providers. --Longislandmedia (talk) 05:51, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your efforts in updating the Canadian line-ups; it's much appreciated. Feel free to remove the outdated notices once you think they're sufficiently current. Tvchannellists (talk) 09:46, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

I wasn't able to delete it because the icon with the out-of-date note wasn't in the edit field. --Longislandmedia (talk) 18:46, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Longislandmedia. All you need to do is delete the "{{Outdated}}" at the start of the article. I've done this for you. Tvchannellists (talk) 09:24, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

Useless logos and duplicates

Could you remove these logos? They are useless and some of them have been uploaded by me as a mistake. Others are duplicates.

--ScytheChariot (talk) 05:33, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Don't remove Viasat_Explorer_Old and Viasat_History_Old tho, remove these instead: Click and Click

P.S to the admin, could you also remove all of the archives (if they exit) of the same files and just wipe 'em like they never exited if it's possble, please? Thanks. Cable viewer (talk) 21:29, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

The files have been deleted. Please note that for those images with file names which are the same as images on Wikimedia Commons, it will still be accessible even though it's deleted as the server automatically pulls it from Wikimedia Commons if it exists there. Additionally, due to the caching employed on this website, you may need to refresh the page to see that the image has been deleted. Tvchannellists (talk) 08:05, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Vandalism - Sky UK and related pages

User at IP address 86.158.168.225 is constantly vandalising the Sky UK and other related pages. Any way of making this more difficult, please?

Thanks for the notification. The IP address has been banned for 1 month. Please advise if there is any additional vandalism and I can implement additional blocks. Tvchannellists (talk) 14:41, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

Even more vandalism

SuperMarioPlayer has been constantly vandalizing the FiOS Channel Lineup page with random text and poems...

Thanks for the notification. A one-month block has been put into place. Tvchannellists (talk) 04:46, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

He came back and did more on the FiOS Channel Changes from 2010. LongIslandMedia undid them but he just doesn't seem to understand what is and isn't supposed to be on this website. Branch (talk) 14:37, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Looks like 99.109.90.90 is back to his old habits. He has been posting on different pages that MTV Hits is changing to Nick Music despite a confirmation that the name change was a false rumor and is not happening. He also blanked the changes in Frontier Fios pages for no reason. The 2010's one should be specific to Indiana, Washington, and Oregon since the California, Florida, and Texas lineups followed Verizon Fios changes until early 2016 when the ownership transferred. Unless he can explain himself, it is time for a permanent banning. --Longislandmedia (talk) 07:56, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the notifications. I've previously applied the two-week and one-month blocks. This time, I have applied the next step up in Mediawiki, which is the three-month block option. The only three higher options are six months, one year and permanent. Subsequent blocks will be applied for those three higher block periods respectively. Tvchannellists (talk) 14:45, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Another IP vandal (may have been a previous one was vandalizing both the DirecTV and AT&T U-Verse channel lineup pages by putting deliberate false information on both pages. They have been reverted, but it looks like another ban is needed. --Longislandmedia (talk) 07:14, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for that. The ban has been applied. Tvchannellists (talk) 09:09, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

The vandal came back under a different IP address and created more vandalism on the AT&T U-Verse page. Also, Unicorn Fun signed up with the sole purpose of blanking pages and replacing them with infantile expressions. I think both of these fall under the pattern of trolling behavior and may warrant stricter banning standards.--Longislandmedia (talk) 02:20, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks again for the notification. UnicornFun has a permanent ban instated. And for the unregistered vandal, I've tried to block anyone on that entire IP address range from editing permanently. Tvchannellists (talk) 03:08, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

A bit of extra information – I don't think the two are related. UnicornFun is posting from 108.18.124.221, which is a Verizon IP address from Falls Church, VA. The unregistered vandal comes up as being from Reynolds, GA. Tvchannellists (talk) 03:23, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

I believe the unregistered vandal is the one who vandalized the DirecTV and U-Verse pages the previous day since it's the same sort of vandalism. --Longislandmedia (talk) 03:55, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

UnicornFun returned and keeps deleting the main page, plus he deleted once the Royal Cable channel list, between 22:40-23:01 EET. --ScytheChariot (talk) 20:10, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the notification and the numerous reverts, ScytheChariot. I've applied a permanent block to the account and his IP address. Tvchannellists (talk) 01:30, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

Userboxes

Hi tvchannellists, first of all, thank you for creating this amazing website! However, there, of course, has things that can make it any better. Is there anyway that userboxes (the Wikipedia ones) can be added to this website so that we can make our own? Tried, they don't work :/

Thanks in advance.

Cheers. Alex (talk) 13:11, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

Hi Alex. I looked into it and it seems quite complex (see link [1]), requiring several dependencies and exports from Wikipedia. I think the effort to get it going outweighs the gain. Tvchannellists (talk) 15:05, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

Oh, sorry then! I absolutely agree, never mind...

Sorry for wasting your time. Mediawiki is a clumsy CMS anyways, shame there's no alternative. Alex (talk) 15:10, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

No need to apologise. Where it's not too complex, I try to implement users' request. Tvchannellists (talk) 01:30, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

Blockandnuke

BTW, you need to apply this fix in order for blockandnuke to work again: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Susgnmraj8ccff78#flow-post-suuswdmb6o5zu7k0 Alex (talk) 10:57, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

I've amended the PHP code for BlockandNuke, so it should be back up and running now. I haven't really had to use it recently in any case as the amount of spam accounts being created has dropped a lot compared to what it used to be. Tvchannellists (talk) 13:05, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

Policies for blocking of users

I think that at this point, with more than one admin, we should establish standardised blocking procedures. Outright destructive behaviour such as blanking of pages and linking to spam, etc. can be an immediate permanent ban. For lesser offences (e.g. incorrect information, arguments between users, etc.) I think the first offence should be one day, second offence = one month, third offence = one year and then fourth offence = permanent. Tvchannellists (talk) 12:57, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

Agreed. Gonna change those two range blocks from infinite to 6 months as for a range block infinite seems too harsh. Alex (talk) 12:58, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

Actually, I think the third offence should be 3 months, 1 year is just too much IMHO. 4th offence, yep permanent block. Also, I think we should draw the line for false information: If someone makes a mistake (like for example wrong frequency of channel, etc.) without realizing it and doing it in good faith, I don't think they should be punished. However, if done with an obvious intent to vandalize, warn first and then 1 day block. Thoughts? Alex (talk) 13:38, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

Sounds alright to me. In relation to incorrect information, what I had in mind when I mentioned that was edits that were with obviously deliberate false information (e.g. users changing TCM to TCM Asia for US cable providers). If it's accidental, I agree, I don't think that warrants blocking. These policies should probably also go on a separate policy page rather than just residing here on the talk page. Tvchannellists (talk) 13:48, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

Sure, the policy should be a separate page, can't make it at the moment though. Also, how can I, for example, see my own IP on this website? Do I need to have additional permissions or am I missing something? Alex (talk) 13:51, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

I've added an outline of the block policy to the 'About' page, which can be found at the bottom of every page. Perhaps when we warn users, we could link to the policy – or even have a standard warning template like Wikipedia.Tvchannellists (talk) 14:20, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

I've never figured out a direct way to do this. I usually go into phpmyadmin and in the recent changes table, it has the IP addresses of the editors as a column. However, now that Block and Nuke is back, what you can do is select only the person who you want to see the IP of on the Block and Nuke page, press block user, and then on the page where it asks you to confirm the block, it shows the person's IP address. As long as you don't press "Block and Nuke" on this second page, there'll be no action taken on the user. I've whitelisted you though, so you won't appear on Block and Nuke. I can take you off it, if you want to see your IP address. Tvchannellists (talk) 13:57, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

I think the direct way to do it is to install the checkuser addon and to give the person you want to view the IPs checkuser permissions. But IMHO, that isn't needed, the blockandnuke solution is good enough, was just curious, thanks!

I tried installing checkuser previously, but it wouldn't work properly on this site for some reason. Tvchannellists (talk) 14:20, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

Outdated PHP, perhaps? If you're lucky, your host may support switching to newer PHP versions.

Just spotted some undetected spammer advertising their own UK shopping channels. Looks like we're also going to have to add paid advertising with no links on the list... Just spotted now that the same IP also vandalized the Shop at Bid on wikipedia to spam the same shopping channel too, so it's definitely not someone who will contribute to the site.

Sleeper spammer issue

Spam accounts are still an active issue, but they aren't posting. They're called "sleeper spammers". I see there's a bunch of them here. Gonna ban them and their ranges (they most probably use private networks/proxies).

Thanks for doing that, Alex. Tvchannellists (talk) 02:31, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

I think we need to get some more protection with this spam issue, there are surely more sleeper spammers but these are the only ones I was able to verify. Alex (talk) 08:16, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

What would you suggest? The implementation of the new ReCaptcha brought it down from dozens of active spam account per day to just a few sleeper spam accounts per month. In the past, I've also applied permanent blocks to VPS/hosting/VPN/co-location IP ranges whenever a spammer's signed up from one of them. I'm not sure why they're sleeping in any case; in the past, they would start spamming as soon as the account was created. Tvchannellists (talk) 08:29, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

Well I first think the site should update mediawiki to 1.27.0, then start with the anti-spam solutions. No problem BTW, it's easy hammering them really. If you're not able to update to 1.27.0, update to 1.26.3, I think that should work. Alex (talk) 08:32, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

The installation and update of Mediawiki on TV Channel Lists is managed by Installatron through cPanel and it doesn't appear that Installatron has incorporated Mediawiki 1.27 or 1.26.3 into their system yet, unfortunately, so I'm not able to update it as of yet. Tvchannellists (talk) 08:48, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgApplyIpBlocksToXff Set this to true and try this also: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Combating_spam#Honeypots.2C_DNS_BL.27s_and_HTTP_BL.27s

Thanks. Both measures have been implemented. Tvchannellists (talk) 10:09, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. Let's see if there are any spammers registering, if yes we should maybe up the protection even more... Alex (talk) 10:14, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

Suggestions

Thanks. Just one question: Can we also add Oversight permissions (like on Wikipedia) to the administrator group? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights#Removing_predefined_groups set suppressrevision, viewsuppressed, deletelogentry and deleterevision to sysop. BTW, to be honest, I think the Commons pulling should be disabled if it's possible. IMHO, it causes nothing but an annoyance, everyone uploads their own files here anyways. Alex (talk) 05:20, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Commons pulling and permissions changes have been done. Tvchannellists (talk) 13:25, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. How did you disable the commons pulling? Couldn't find anywhere how to... Alex (talk) 13:29, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

In localsettings.php, "$wgUseInstantCommons = false;" Tvchannellists (talk) 13:33, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Additional Usergroups

I think we should have a new usergroup titled "Rollback", the usergroup will have the same permissions as the autoconfirmed usergroup except the rollback permissions which will there. I think Scy and Longislandmedia would be great candidates for something like that. Alex (talk) 22:03, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

I've added ScytheChariot and Longislandmedia into a new group with rollback privileges. I'll advise them of their new permissions via their talk pages. Tvchannellists (talk) 04:56, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Speed up

Can you check this out? http://techwelkin.com/slow-mediawiki-optimize-to-enhance-performance-part-1 Already did the MediaWiki:Aboutsite and MediaWiki:Pagetitle Alex (talk) 13:00, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

I've applied most of those optimisations to the site. The main exception being caching, which just caused the site not to load at all. Tvchannellists (talk) 13:34, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, noticable speed-up. Just for insight, did you manage to do the Apatche optimizations too? I don't really know what's up with the caching on this website, really acts weird... https://gtmetrix.com/reports/tvchannellists.com/CXXJK02z Those are pretty great results. Alex (talk) 13:37, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

I haven't done the Apache tweaks. The hosting is via cPanel; I don't know if I can make adjustments to the web server. As for the caching, it's run through CloudFlare, to alleviate bandwidth demands from the loading of images. The consequence is that images don't necessarily update quickly when they're changed. Tvchannellists (talk) 13:40, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Eh, doesn't really matter, the speed up improvement is good enough. What are your CF settings? You can email them to me if you want. Alex (talk) 13:44, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Just the default settings, with the caching level set on standard. Looking at the analytics, it only saved 76MB of bandwidth in the past month out of 3GB, so I'm not sure if it's even worth having on. Tvchannellists (talk) 13:48, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Auto-minify: All checked, RocketLoader: Automatic, browser cache expiration: 5 days, turn on IPv6 (doesn't matter if you host supports it or not), protection level: High, then purge all cache to apply. Alex (talk) 13:55, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

All done. I also recently applied Gzip compression to the MySQL database. It was almost at 1GB, but now it's closer to 200MB. Tvchannellists (talk) 14:32, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Can you try to disable Rocket Script and then purge the cache again? I think it does more bad then good on this website. Alex (talk) 14:41, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

This has been done now. Tvchannellists (talk) 14:54, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, fixed the infinite loading issue. For me, the site is extremely fast now. Alex (talk) 14:55, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Administrator "Alex"

I have a problem with Alex, the new volunteer. In Romania=>Digital=>Telekom, Alex deleted my work for about 60-70 channels. I got angry, because I don't like vandalism. So, I clicked the "undo" button and wrote at "summary" (in romanian): if you delete this once more, I will report you!

( http://www.tvchannellists.com/index.php?title=List_of_channels_on_Telekom_Romania_(digital)&action=history )

After this, I got a message in "user talk" which said that he was the admin (being very proud of this). Also, he said that i started a conflict and that I am hysterical and overreacting (which is not true).

I don't understand why you made this guy a volunteer, because he's new, and he doesn't meet the requirements .

The best replacement is ScytheChariot. He is on this page for so many time, he is also very good and careful with details.

Thanks for reading and I hope this solves soon.

You WERE being hysterical because instead of civilly talking to me you added THAT as the edit summary (along with all the three exclamations marks. Ask any staff member on Wikipedia or any other wikia, they will tell you that is considered rude and hysterical). I already explained that I didn't vandalize your article, but that it was a misunderstanding and apologized 3 times in that message. Also, where was I "very proud" that I was an admin here in that message? I just noted that I was an admin because you thought that I was a regular user. I was very civil and calm in my message, even complimenting you, never did I boost about my power... You want me removed as soon as possible because of a simple misunderstanding that I did not even do on purpose and apologized for and also explained why I did that?

This has already been resolved, but you just came here to attempt to remove me because I made a mistake that I apologized for... Start understanding that everyone makes mistakes (including admins and Scy) and they should not be punished for them. I already said all of this this in my message on your talk page, hopefully you will understand now. Have a nice day and again, I apologize if I offended you personally. Alex (talk) 09:10, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

As Alex noted, he made a mistake. I understand that you were upset, but he has apologised and I believe that the issues with the page have since been resolved. Continuing on this topic this isn't going to change what happened so let's just try to move on amicably and civilly. No moderation action will be taken against either member in this instance. However, as noted, please communicate in English on this website so that everyone can understand. If ScytheChariot wants to volunteer to be an admin also, I would be happy to add him.

In relation to Alex not meeting requirements, Alex has been quite proactive in ridding the site of spam accounts, improving the site's speed as well as removing duplicated files, amongst other things, so I think that Alex has helped to improve the site.

Further, as per the site's policies, accidental errors are not a reprimandable action. Tvchannellists (talk) 10:13, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the nice words tvchannelists and for stepping into my defense, means a lot to me. I'll go ahead and mark this as solved now.

I do agree that Queron should currently not be taken action against, however, if he makes another one of these invalid reports with bigger holes then Swiss cheese towards anyone or uses the edit summary like those two times again, I do think at least an additional warning will be required. Queron, yes, that is starting a conflict, if you think your edit was unjustifiably removed you should 1) always assume good faith 2) Civilly talk it out with the person who removed your edit instead of disregarding everything as just vandalism and threatening to report them. Also, the fact that I apologized, acknowledged the mistake and explained on your talk page everything makes this report even more useless.

And yes, if Scy wants to be an admin I would happily accept him. -Alex (talk) 10:30, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Additional Admins

We need more admins and checkusers to prevent stuff like this from happening. Also, UnicornFun is a "serial" spammer, as you can see he also spammed Wikipedia, so yeah that's pretty much it. Alex (talk) 08:35, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

If anyone wants to volunteer to have additional permissions, let me know and I'll consider it. Acceptance is not guaranteed and will be based on your behaviour on this site. Tvchannellists (talk) 10:02, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

I'd like to sign up as a volunteer at least temporary. Alex (talk) 10:14, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

I've added you to the administrator group. Tvchannellists (talk) 12:57, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

On a second thought, I think I want to volunteer too and accept Alex's proposal so become an admin, temporarily at least. ScytheChariot (talk) 10:26, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for volunteering, ScytheChariot; I've promoted you to admin. In relation to your other commitments, don't feel as though there's any minimum amount of time you need to spend on administering for TV Channel Lists. I'm happy for you to be a part-time admin and give as little or as much time to the site as you wish. Tvchannellists (talk) 11:45, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Thank you too! These days I'll try to reupload most of the logos at the same quality (or even higher resolutions), but compressed without losing quality in order to save some space. ScytheChariot (talk) 14:48, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Bug

Even though you've disabled the Commons pulling, it still seems to cache images like they're still being pulled... (for example the thumbnail on this file) Anything else that can be done or is this a non-fixable bug?

I wouldn't know, to be honest. Sorry. Tvchannellists (talk) 23:16, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Demotion

I request demotion because I think there are way better candidates then me as an administrator. I may be good with preventing spam and all that, but as a whole, I feel there could be other contributors way more worthy of adminship. I'd like to stay on the blockandnuke whitelist though (you should also put yourself on the whitelist for privacy reasons). -Alex (talk) 14:52, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Why would you retire? You did a great job for the site in the past week! ScytheChariot (talk) 15:32, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Hi Alex. Ultimately, the choice is yours, but like ScytheChariot, I think that you've been doing a good job. And with you as an admin, that doesn't preclude anyone else from becoming an admin as well, if they wanted to. If it's because of the issue with Queron, I wouldn't let something like that get you down. Moderators and administrators are always bound to upset someone sooner or later because of the very nature of the role and the fact that not everyone can always get their way. If you want to continue on, you have my full support. Please let me know your final decision by replying to this post and I'll put into effect the demotion if that is what you decide. In any case, thanks for helping out with the admin this past week. As for the whitelist, sure, you'll stay on it. I'm on it also, but for some reason, my username still appears on Block and Nuke. Tvchannellists (talk) 23:15, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

As Alex hasn't been back to the site for several days, I will go ahead and process his demotion as per his request. Tvchannellists (talk) 01:46, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

3 Things

1) I can't edit or add to existing topics on this page... Bug? **Update (1:36 UTC): this appears to now be fixed**

2) I would like to "volunteer as tribute" for adminship. and I would like to nominate LongIslandMedia-- they've been awesome helping with the FiOS pages.

3) Can 4~ sigs include the time in the time zone that the user specified? And can we also get the option for non-24hr time (AM/PM)?

Thanks! Branch (talk) 01:18, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

Hi Branch,

1) What error did you get when you were trying to edit? I haven't changed anything.

2) Sure, I'll promote you to the admin group. I'm happy for LongIslandMedia to be an admin. If he decides to volunteer, I'll add him too.

3) As for the signatures, that's a function of MediaWiki; I don't know if it can be changed. If you type three (i.e. ~~~) tildes instead of four, it won't include the time stamp and you can write the time in manually. Tvchannellists (talk) 04:33, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

I didn't get an error, I'd just type a letter, and then that letter would disappear. It's working now though, so I guess it could have been a glitch on my end. Makes sense about the signatures, but could we still get the option to do AM/PM time for edits etc? If it's too hard, then don't worry about it. Also, could we get a list of all users with special permissions (rollback, admins)? And I'd be happy to help bring http://tvchannellists.com/testpatterns/ onto MediaWiki. Finally: other than rollback and temp/perm banning, do admins have any other special permissions? Branch (talk) 10:52, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

Not sure about that not being able to type issue. I would think it's probably a local issue.

As for the AM/PM time issue, I don't know how I can change it – Wikipedia has it same (24-hour time).

As for the list of special users and their rights, go to this page Special:ListGroupRights. Tvchannellists (talk) 01:46, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Bug happened again. Closing and reopening my browser (Chrome on OS X) fixed the issue, so it must be local.

Echo

This would be awesome. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Echo that way all admins could get a notification about a new post here, and everyone could get other great notifications. we could also get a template to call out a user (such as reply to, or anything else) so it'll ping them when they're mentioned. You could also send out site-wide or user-specific messages.

If you haven't noticed it already in the top-right of the page, I've installed Echo on to the site. Tvchannellists (talk) 02:02, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Awesome. It looks like sitewide notifications are currently in development, but once they're released it'll be super helpful. Currently I can ping people by linking to their user page, like this. ScytheChariot. Branch (talk) 02:12, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Sidebar and Footer

The Aussie TV History and other sidebar links seem kind of unneeded... Branch (talk) 02:21, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

I have removed the sidebar links, as per your suggestion. Tvchannellists (talk) 09:12, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

If you noticed, I made a few improvements to the About page, one of which was changing the name slightly. If you could update the footer, I'd appreciate it. Branch (talk) 10:15, 13 August 2016 (UTC) Also in the footer, can you remove the Privacy Policy link and replace the disclaimers link to here? I'll finish writing them today, and move the banning policy to there. http://www.tvchannellists.com/General_Disclaimers_%26_Policies Thanks as always. Branch (talk) 10:15, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Here's instructions for the footer: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Footer. Also, I made a page called Site News & Updates which I will fill in today with past updates, etc. Feel free to add it to the sidebar. While doing so, I'd recommend reordering the sidebar:

Main Page, About Us, Site News & Updates, General Disclaimers & Policies

and removing random page (not useful), list of all pages (the list is on the homepage), and recent changes (it's already in the tools section).

That way you could honestly just kill off the footer. Branch (talk) 12:05, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

I've amended the sidebar as per your suggestions; however, I've kept Recent Changes, as I use it as a shortcut to quickly get to the Recent Changes page. I've also removed the footer links, as per your suggestion. Tvchannellists (talk) 12:59, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Sounds good. Could Recent changes go in the "tools" section, though?

Doesn't look like it's easy: The toolbox, which appears under the search bar, is a dynamic element and cannot be easily customized without the use of skinning extensions (otherwise it requires programming in PHP.) If it bothers you, I can just remove it and get to it through the Special Pages page Tvchannellists (talk) 13:56, 13 August 2016 (UTC).

What if it was named "Recent Page Changes" to be more clear? Branch (talk) 17:20, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

Done. Tvchannellists (talk) 23:39, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

Updated page name of disclaimers and policies to match sidebar. Can you update the link? Branch (talk) 01:59, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Done. Tvchannellists (talk) 02:17, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Site Updates Section

Can I make a dedicated page to site updates, so they don't get lost here? Branch (talk) 02:21, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Sure, having a site updates section sounds good. Maybe a link to it can be placed in the sidebar. Tvchannellists (talk) 09:12, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

I'll make a site updates section today and link here. Branch (talk) 10:15, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

I've added a few recent things that came to mind. Feel free to add whatever else you can think of. Tvchannellists (talk) 13:22, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

MediaWiki Update

It's time to update the site to MediaWiki 1.27! Looks like there are some new features, but I haven't had a chance to look too deeply. Branch (talk) 02:21, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

The MediaWiki installation is managed by Installatron, which doesn't have anything newer than 1.26.2 yet, unfortunately. Tvchannellists (talk) 09:12, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

I reached out to Installatron about 1.27. I'll let you know when they respond. Branch (talk) 10:15, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for getting in touch with Installatron; it would be good to be able to update the site to the latest version of MediaWiki. Tvchannellists (talk) 11:40, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

They replied, and said it's on their radar, but they don't have an ETA. I asked for them to keep me posted. Branch (talk) 13:31, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for that, Branch. Hopefully, it's sooner rather than later. Tvchannellists (talk) 23:38, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

Americanisation of Spellings

Branch, I noticed you've been Americanising the spellings on the website (e.g. offence [UK] => offense [US]; behaviour [UK] => behavior [US]). Were you wanting to standardise the website to American English? Tvchannellists (talk) 11:40, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

I did change the about page to American English. I'm happy to revert back, though, if you don't like it. Branch (talk) 12:05, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Either's fine with me – just wondering. Tvchannellists (talk) 12:59, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Licence of Posted Content

Since we were doing the policies, I was wondering if we need to establish what licence material posted on this website should be. Assumedly, this would be some sort of free licence as I don't believe channel listings would be copyrightable in the first place. Tvchannellists (talk) 13:11, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Well, not only that, but the listings aren't ours to copyright, so I don't know if we're even allowed to put a license on them? I mean it's not like we can say "you can't repost this".Branch (talk) 13:31, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

I've added a section on the policies page stating that the content on this website doesn't meet the threshold of originality for copyright protection – both in terms of our users taking information from elsewhere and for others wanting to copy our information. Tvchannellists (talk) 00:59, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Check User

The Check User extension has been installed and access has been granted to admins. Tvchannellists (talk) 02:26, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Contact Us

I've added a contact us link to the sidebar. Tvchannellists (talk) 02:39, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Tag for improvement

Is there a way to use something like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Cleanup to show when a lineup may need improvements? Then make a link that autogenerates the pages with that tag so users can easily help with pages that need help? Also, I've been going through and deleting pages with no content. Hopefully the reduced number of "bad" pages will result in the "good" pages being easier to find, and also an overall leaner site. Branch (talk) 18:38, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

I've added a cleanup category and template. Add the following code to the top of the source of any page you want to be tagged as cleanup required:

      [[Category: Cleanup]]
      {{Template:Cleanup}}

If you're looking at the source of this talk page, don't actually add the 'nowiki' code. That's just there to prevent Mediawiki from actually parsing that code and applying the cleanup template for this talk page.

The list of pages with the cleanup template applied can then be found here: Category: Cleanup Tvchannellists (talk) 23:35, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

Awesome! Can a link go in the sidebar for it, perhaps titled "Pages Needing Improvement"? Scythechariot, just a heads up about this. I'm gonna start tagging, can you help?

I've added the link to the sidebar. I also adjusted your response a bit as the 'Reply to' template doesn't seem to exist on here. Tvchannellists (talk) 00:47, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Unable to edit bug

I can't edit or add to existing topics on this page... Bug? **Update (1:36 UTC): this appears to now be fixed** Branch (talk) 01:18, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

Not sure about that not being able to type issue. I would think it's probably a local issue. Tvchannellists (talk) 01:46, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

I've narrowed it down... I can only edit this page when I'm in Chrome Incognito mode, which is odd. Branch (talk) 13:31, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Can't really help you out. I tried editing in Chrome Incognito mode just now and didn't have any issues. Tvchannellists (talk) 13:51, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

No, I believe you misunderstood-- I can only edit when I'm using Incognito. Otherwise it's buggy.Branch (talk) 17:18, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

My bad. I edit the site in Chrome without Incognito mode and I've never encountered that issue. Maybe there's a Chrome extension interfering with the site? I'm not sure. Tvchannellists (talk) 23:37, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

It was a Chrome Extension, which I disabled. Weird thing was it was just this page, no other page. Branch (talk) 23:58, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

HTTPS & IPv6 & Logo Issues

I don't know how easy it is to implant either, but HTTPS certs are now free through https://letsencrypt.org/. I know we don't store anything confidential, but if it's free, we may as well. It makes the site look more professional, in my opinion. Also, IPv6? Branch (talk) 17:58, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

I turned on IPv6 on Cloudflare already; I'll look into getting the HTTPS certificate implemented. Tvchannellists (talk) 23:38, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

Sounds good about HTTPS. Can IPv6 get implanted on the main site, though? Branch (talk) 23:58, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

I'm not really sure how to go about this. I see an option for it in cPanel. Tvchannellists (talk) 02:35, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Quick google search returned some instructions, but idk how helpful they are, as I've never used cPanel. Branch (talk) 02:57, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

The website's host has confirmed that IPv6 is not available for the hosting plan the site is on; an upgrade (i.e. more money) would be required to get IPv6. Tvchannellists (talk) 02:59, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Regarding SSL, the process to set it up looks complicated, so I'll do it when I'm on my home desktop PC. Tvchannellists (talk) 03:03, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

SSL is now active, though apparently, I need to renew it every 90 days. Tvchannellists (talk) 11:46, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Awesome. All that needs to be done is either kill off http, or at least have it redirect to https.Branch (talk) 12:39, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

I'm reluctant to force a redirect to HTTPS given the 90-day manual SSL renewal issue, since, if for some reason, I can't do the renewal, the site will give errors. Tvchannellists (talk) 12:44, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Update: I've enabled the force redirect for now. We'll see how the renewal goes. Tvchannellists (talk) 12:51, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

The SSL seems to be causing some issues with loading the site logo – it is under investigation. Tvchannellists (talk) 13:34, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Google Chrome logs reveal this may be an issue with the fact it's trying to load non-HTTP content, which it doesn't like on an HTTPS page. From the logs: About_TV_Channel_Lists:1 Mixed Content: The page at 'https://www.tvchannellists.com' was loaded over HTTPS, but requested an insecure image 'http://voommaps.com/'. This content should also be served over HTTPS. Branch (talk) 13:41, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

I couldn't get it to load properly on HTTPS, so I've moved it to an HTTP address on another site and it seems to work now. Not really sure how to resolve the issue. Tvchannellists (talk) 13:46, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Loads fine for me here: https://www.voommaps.com/tvcl/logo.png. Could it just be hosted on this site? Branch (talk) 13:48, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Yes, for some reason when it's in HTTPS on the TVCL server, it won't load. On the other site, it works fine even in HTTPS. I can't figure it out, so I'm just going to leave it on the other site. Tvchannellists (talk) 13:52, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

It says it's still trying to load something on the edit page from VoomMaps that's insecure. Not sure what. Branch (talk) 13:59, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

I've looked at the page source and there are no non-https references to voommaps.com, so I don't know what's triggering it. Looking at Chrome's diagnostics, it appears that by requesting the image in HTTPS, it's also querying the server in HTTP. I don't think it's a major issue, so I'm just going to leave it for now, unless you can figure out a solution. Tvchannellists (talk) 14:23, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

What about hosting it on CloudFlare (if that's an option?) It may also be something with that Powered by MediaWiki logo at the bottom? When you tried hosting it on this site, did you upload it like a normal file? Branch (talk) 15:05, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

I don't think CloudFlare hosts; it just mirrors your site on their CDN. Tvchannellists (talk) 01:03, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

The logo is once again not loading. Did you try just uploading the file to the user-facing end of the site, and linking to it that way?

I'll give that a go. Tvchannellists (talk) 01:03, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

or just use an image hosting site that forces SSL. that may fix it. VoomMaps doesn't even appear to be an image hosting site. Branch (talk) 01:22, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

Seems to be working again now for some reason. I'll just let it be until it breaks. Tvchannellists (talk) 02:49, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

In case it's the powered by mediawiki logo that's causing the issue, you can remove that here: /public_html/your-mediawiki-folder/skins/common/commonContent.css and add #footer-poweredbyico { display: none; } Branch (talk) 16:27, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

I've done this now. Tvchannellists (talk) 01:03, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

still there. maybe my instructions were bad, I copied them from another site. Branch (talk) 01:10, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

I've managed to disable this through the localsettings.php file. Tvchannellists (talk) 02:49, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

It also appears the CloudFlare offers SSL for the whole site for free, so maybe that would make it work better? IDK. Branch (talk) 01:01, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

The SSL on CloudFlare was already enabled before I tried doing things with the Let's Encrypt site. Tvchannellists (talk) 01:03, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

The insecure resources issue seems to be gone now also. Tvchannellists (talk) 03:07, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

The update seems to have broken the site logo again. I will look into it. Tvchannellists (talk) 10:04, 16 August 2016 (EDT)

Site is so much faster now! Looks like it's still trying to check VoomMaps for the logo. Does the new host support IPv6? Branch (talk) 10:11, 16 August 2016 (EDT)

Yes, but only their very high-end plans. The site should be accessible via IPv6 through CloudFlare in any case though. No idea about voommaps.com; I can't find any reference to it in the source code. Chrome is also saying now that the site's resources are all secure. Tvchannellists (talk) 10:22, 16 August 2016 (EDT)

I can't upload any images, I think that's why the logo isn't working. Here's what I get when I try to click on a file: Home/netzplan/public html/tvchannellists.com/images/www.voommaps.com Page doesn't exist. Branch (talk) 10:27, 16 August 2016 (EDT)

Yes, all images seem to be broken at the moment. I'm trying to figure it out. Tvchannellists (talk) 10:28, 16 August 2016 (EDT)

OK, it's all good now. It was an issue with the .htaccess file.Tvchannellists (talk) 10:31, 16 August 2016 (EDT)

Privacy Policy

The privacy policy and disclaimer links in the footer are blank. That should probably be fixed. Branch (talk) 02:21, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Not sure what to put in the disclaimer/privacy policy; you can fill them in if you'd like and then it'll be the site policy's henceforth. Tvchannellists (talk) 09:12, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

I can definitely write them, I just need to know what if any information is collected about the user (from ads or anything else). Branch (talk) 10:15, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

The site uses Google AdSense for advertising and this page seems to explain what it collects. As for what TV Channel Lists collects, it would collect any information you contribute to the site plus the usual things that web servers collect – i.e. IP addresses and browser information. Tvchannellists (talk) 11:40, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Almost forgot – Google Analytics is on the website as well: link (refer to section 7). Tvchannellists (talk) 13:27, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

To save you the effort, I've used a generator and have customised it as per TV Channel Lists functions. Tvchannellists (talk) 13:57, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Awesome. I edited it a bit more for spelling and clarity, and removed some sections that are redundant or don't apply. Feel free to revise more. Branch (talk) 14:01, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Standardization

I'm gonna work on color standardization. Branch (talk) 02:21, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Colour standardisation would be good; listing standardisation might be a bit more tricky, with varying requirements for different countries' listings (e.g. regioning information, multi-lingual stations, etc.). For example, the List of Channels on Sky is much more complex than most other listings. Tvchannellists (talk) 09:12, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Scythechariot and I are gonna work on this. Branch (talk) 17:58, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

Station Logos

One thing I noticed: some of the channel lineups include channel logos. This is really unneeded, and would probably allow the site to run a lot faster if we removed them. That way we could also develop a standardized way for not only colors but also how channels are listed. Branch (talk) 02:21, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Several users, including the other admin ScytheChariot, spend a lot of time uploading logos, so I don't think getting rid of them would go down so well. The logos should be cached by the CloudFlare CDN in any case, instead of being pulled directly off the server each time. Perhaps a vote should be done on the channel logos? Tvchannellists (talk) 09:12, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

I'll ask Scy about channel logos. Branch (talk) 10:15, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Actually, I've received positive feedback from Romanian viewers / readers for the logos. I don't mind a vote, though. ScytheChariot (talk) 11:49, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Ok, sounds good. Perhaps we can get them on more channel lineups, then. Branch (talk) 17:58, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

Standard Duration for Archiving of Resolved Issues

I think we should establish a standard period of time before resolved issues get archived. One week perhaps? Tvchannellists (talk) 13:09, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Sounds good to me! Branch (talk) 13:31, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

I know we said one week to archive posts, but given how many topics there have been over the past few days as a result of the admin team changes, I'm thinking we should make an exception and archive things that have been resolved. Tvchannellists (talk) 02:53, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

I concur, honestly, I think anything can be archived immediately upon resolving so long as applicable information has been put on site news. Branch (talk) 02:59, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

Adding Listings to Main Page

Hi Branch. Since you locked the main page to admins only, should we establish a procedure for users wanting to add a new line-up to the front page? For now, I've added a note on the front page telling users to contact us on this talk page if they want something added. Tvchannellists (talk) 02:32, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Yes, that sounds good. I did that only because there are a lot of pages on the wiki where users made the line up page but just left it as "coming soon" or "under construction" which isn't good. Those are the pages I'm trying to delete. Branch (talk) 12:39, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I agree with that. I had previously made a note to add links to the main page only when there is content to avoid making the front page excessively long and filled with empty pages; however, some users continued to make the empty links. Tvchannellists (talk) 14:49, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Sporadic Server Load Issues

Every now and again, CPU, I/O and memory spikes to 100% on the server. I've been SSHing into the server trying to figure out what is going on, but all I can ascertain is that the PHP process is responsible. It usually happens for a few hours once a week. I assume it's some sort of clean-up or maintenance script, but I can't figure out what it is exactly. This happened a few minutes ago, causing the site's downtime. It's annoying, but I'm not sure what to do to rectify it. Tvchannellists (talk) 13:55, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

I'm getting loading issues since around 22:15-22:30 EET... :( Very hard to edit something and even if I manage to edit an article, it's updating very hard. ScytheChariot (talk) 20:38, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Loading is now working for me (it wasn't before), but logos are missing again and it's still not full HTTPS (see my comment in the HTTPS section). Branch (talk) 22:28, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

I can see that the issues are still coming and going – I'm looking into potentially upgrading servers again to cope with the server load from the site. Tvchannellists (talk) 01:04, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

Would it be time to maybe finally move off of shared hosting? *cough cough WYSIWYG editor* ;) Branch (talk) 01:09, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

That would be the ideal outcome, but I believe that the ongoing cost of a VPS can be significantly higher. I'll report back after investigating the options. Tvchannellists (talk) 01:14, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

I've purchased a more expensive hosting package from another host with more resources. They tell me that node.js will be able to run all the time, meaning that we would be able to have the WYSIWYG editor. However, this means that the site will have to be transferred across. They've given a 72-hour timeframe, so edits made between the time when they duplicate the site on to the new host and when the DNS is switched over will be lost. I would advise either holding off a bit or saving your edits locally as well. I will try to recover the edits that are lost during the transition period, but no guarantees. It would be nice if some of the cost could be recuperated through donations, but I'm not expecting there'd be much, if anything at all. Tvchannellists (talk) 06:26, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

PayPal

Maybe add a donation button (Paypal?). It won't get a lot probably, but if it gets even one donation, it's worth it. If you set-up the back-end, I'm happy to look into the best places to put it.Branch (talk) 01:39, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

Seems like PayPal require you to be a not-for-profit organisation to have a donate button and furthermore, you need a Premier or Business PayPal account to withdraw the funds. I'll have to investigate further. Tvchannellists (talk) 02:55, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

I've seen for profit sites do it. I too will investigate. Branch (talk) 03:00, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

I'd switch to this, and up it to $10 (if they're gonna donate, they'll probably be willing to go $10). People trust Paypal more, IMO. http://paypal.github.io/JavaScriptButtons/ once it's implanted, get the correct logo for it here: https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/logos-buttons (for some reason their button maker still uses their old logo). Also, I put a notice about edits on the main page. Branch (talk) 11:54, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

I've used the PayPal button with PayPal logo now. I'm not sure if it's actually working properly though. Tvchannellists (talk) 12:48, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

Honestly, I'd just switch it over from donate to buy, so you don't have to worry about it, and then use this image: <img src="://www.paypalobjects.com/webstatic/en_US/i/buttons/cc-badges-ppmcvdam.png" alt="Buy now with PayPal" /> Branch (talk) 09:24, 16 August 2016 (EDT)

More Extensions

I'll keep this topic updated as I find cool extensions and add-ons for us.

WikiEditor

I've added WikiEditor. Its documentation states that you may need to clear your cache if it doesn't show up. Tvchannellists (talk) 13:33, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

RefreshSpecial

This is done now. Tvchannellists (talk) 13:49, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Removed in Server Migration Branch (talk) 13:23, 16 August 2016 (EDT)

Comments in Local Time

Sorry, I was still working on it. Should be fixed now. Tvchannellists (talk) 02:45, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

Not working, time is not correctly showing AM/PM as its code dictates. Branch (talk) 13:23, 16 August 2016 (EDT)

The migration broke it. Fixed now. Tvchannellists (talk) 23:37, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

It seems the default timezone has been changed to EDT. It was UTC before. Aetnla (talk) 17:13, 16 August 2016 (EDT)

The Timezone should be whatever your computer is set to.Branch (talk) 17:32, 16 August 2016 (EDT)

My computer isn't set to EDT timezone yet the page modified timestamps are all in EDT when logged out. And my comments I now post are showing up with EDT time regardless. They were showing with my local time before (UTC+1). Aetnla (talk) 17:48, 16 August 2016 (EDT)

I think I've set it back to UTC now. Tvchannellists (talk) 23:37, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

Yes, and now Comments_In_Local_Time is working again as I see it in AM/PM 12hr. Branch (talk) 01:08, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

Wanted Pages

We need to clean up the Wanted Pages list. Those TV Channels should link to their Wikipedia Page, not a TVCL page. Branch (talk) 10:37, 16 August 2016 (EDT)

Where is the 'Wanted Pages' list? Tvchannellists (talk) 10:45, 16 August 2016 (EDT)

Special Pages, under Maintenance reports. Branch (talk) 10:46, 16 August 2016 (EDT)

Looks like there's quite a lot to do. My time is kind of tight at the moment, but if/when I do have some spare time, I'll try to help out. Tvchannellists (talk) 10:51, 16 August 2016 (EDT)

ScytheChariot can you help as well? I'll work too. Those links just need to be switched to wikipedia links. Branch (talk) 11:08, 16 August 2016 (EDT)

Finished most of them! Now there are less than one hundred that need to be solved, most of them are templates and lists with zero information. ScytheChariot (talk) 13:55, 16 August 2016 (EDT)

Wow, you're good. I'll take care of the templates, etc when I get the chance. Right now I'm focusing on cleaning up the homepage (you only get one first impression!) by removing links for & deleting pages with no content. Thanks! Branch (talk) 01:54, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

On a similar note, there are/were quite a few internal links that were coded in as external links. I've gone through and changed the ones I found – there may still be others. Tvchannellists (talk) 06:57, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

Home Page

I've made it through Indonesia on the home page, removing no content links, and applying Cleanup tags as needed. 2 Questions: Do we need the UK and Ireland Master lists? And why does Australia get Radio listings? This isn't RadioChannelLists.com... Branch (talk) 11:43, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

I'd suggest removing the third column from the homepage and everything from it can go to a secondary contents page, linked to at the bottom of the main page labelled as something like 'Other pages on this Wiki'. Tvchannellists (talk) 12:44, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

Well ideally channel changes can just be linked from their respective pages. I just don't know what to do about those master lists and radio list. Branch (talk) 12:53, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

I agree with you regarding the channel changes pages; they can just be removed from the front page and linked to at the bottom of their respective articles. The other pages can use the solution I suggested in my previous comment. A single link at the bottom of the front page to 'Other pages on this Wiki' and they can be listed on that secondary contents page. Then we can remove that third column. Tvchannellists (talk) 13:02, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

That sounds good. The only question I have is, do we need those extra pages? Esp. the radio? Branch (talk) 13:28, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

In regards to the UK master pages, I'm reluctant to remove pages that have content that people have spent time putting together and that people visit because the deletion of such pages was the whole reason this website exists in the first place. Wikipedia users decided that channel lists weren't relevant and shouldn't be on Wikipedia and they were all deleted. If we delete pages with content, I feel like we're just repeating what Wikipedia did. As for the radio page, I would be fine for there not to be any link or reference to it at all on TVCL. It's just on here because there was nowhere else to put it and it's not worth setting up a whole Mediawiki for just one page. It's linked to externally from other sites so it can stay there without being visible on TVCL. Tvchannellists (talk) 14:18, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I guess that's fair. How about we link to the UK master list at the bottom of each uk lineup (same for ireland). That way people interested can still find the easily, but everyone doesn't need them on the home page? Also there's so little in the second column that we could combine into one "Service" column and make "free to view" a bolded header where applicable. And then since we'll have a lot more room in the first column, we could even pop in a nice looking thumbnail of the country's flag. Branch (talk) 15:00, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

That sounds good to me. Perhaps we can have a country box at the bottom with links to other pages for that country? Something like Wikipedia does ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Europe_topic example). Not sure how hard they are to do. Your suggestion about the main page sounds good to me. Tvchannellists (talk) 01:55, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

I like the idea of a country box but I've never done one. I'm happy to learn, but I think we should put it on the back burner until we fix the no content pages, broken links, etc. I'm continuing to work my way down the homepage. Branch (talk) 02:18, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Sure, it was just an idea – no urgency. I've uploaded flags for all the countries in preparation for including them on the homepage. Tvchannellists (talk) 02:48, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

I've gone through and added the flags to the front page. Tvchannellists (talk) 03:07, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Awesome. I'm wrapping up adding bolded headers, etc. It's looking so much better, and the site is sooo quick now. Branch (talk) 13:59, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

On the note about deleting pages, I'm fine with deleting pages for specific channels, as those pages exist on Wikipedia. Tvchannellists (talk) 03:07, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Finished Home Page columns, etc. We can revise as necessary (columns for each type of service?) Branch (talk) 02:54, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your work on this, Branch. The home page is looking good. Tvchannellists (talk) 13:07, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

Server Migration Complete & Parsoid Troubleshooting

TV Channel Lists has completed its move over to its new host with more bandwidth and more resources. Hopefully, the site should run faster now. Please let me know if you encounter any issues. I will try to set up the WYSIWYG editor tomorrow, if time permits. I've disabled misermode to see how well the new server copes. Tvchannellists (talk) 09:28, 16 August 2016 (EDT)

Another side-benefit of the new server – it uses Softaculous instead of Installatron, which supports Mediawiki 1.27. Thus, I've been able to update the site to Mediawiki 1.27. Are there any new features I can implement now that 1.27 is installed? Tvchannellists (talk) 09:53, 16 August 2016 (EDT)

Awesome. Site is all Green-Padlocked and Fast. Very nice. I'll look into 1.27 features. I'm trying to locate a plain-english version of their release notes (I can only find super-technical ones) Branch (talk) 10:32, 16 August 2016 (EDT)

I've been quite limited in time lately, so I haven't been able to investigate everything that's been raised regarding the site. The server upgrade investigations and subsequent migration took a fair bit of what time I did have. I've tried looking at the HTTPS redirection issue and I've been playing around with it but haven't been able to get it working right because of how the server is configured. I've also been trying to get Parsoid installed on the server but it's quite complicated and I haven't managed to get it working. At this stage, I'm not sure if I will be able to get it to work. Tvchannellists (talk) 13:04, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

Does this help? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Parsoid/Troubleshooting Branch (talk) 15:01, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

Realistically is this going to happen anytime soon? Branch (talk) 01:40, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Hi Branch. I just managed to get the first part of it working. I have installed node.js via SSH and tested it to be working. I'll try to progress further later tonight. Tvchannellists (talk) 07:23, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

I managed to install Parsoid and I can start the service in an SSH instance, but I can't figure out how to keep it running when I close it. Additionally, the service can be accessed via localhost but not externally. Anyone here good with cPanel? Tvchannellists (talk) 11:32, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

OK, it seems to be working now. I would recommend against using it on pages that are complex or have several station logos as you might get an error (you can use "Edit Source" instead of "Edit". It seems to be very resource-intensive, pushing the CPU to 100% and using 1GB+ of RAM. Note: It doesn't work on talk pages. Tvchannellists (talk) 11:54, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

PayPal Logo

Paypal button looks nice! But I'd switch both of them to <img src="https://www.paypalobjects.com/webstatic/en_US/i/buttons/cc-badges-ppmcvdam.png" alt="Buy now with PayPal" /> so that people know they can also pay with credit card (through Paypal). Also, on the Paypal checkout page, "tvchannellists@gmail.com" should be switched to the site's logo, so it looks more professional. Finally: can you put it on the about page? I cannot put it anywhere without it's code. Branch (talk) 10:16, 16 August 2016 (EDT)

The one you linked to was too big, so I picked another one with the logos that fits. Haven't figured out how to customise the payment page yet though. I'll leave it to another time as it's 1 AM here now. I need to figure out how to get code on to the About page also. Tvchannellists (talk) 10:58, 16 August 2016 (EDT)

If you can figure out how to get it into an editable page, I'll work with the logo, get a nice looking one that fits the sidebar, and you can just pop it back in. Branch (talk) 12:10, 16 August 2016 (EDT)

Looks like HTML can be enabled on Mediawiki, but it's dangerous: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgRawHtml

Just an update on this – I'm intending to end the trial of the donate button. In the time that it's been up, there's been a total of zero donations so I'll just bear the ongoing costs of the server upgrade personally. Tvchannellists (talk) 12:25, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Visual (WYSIWYG) Editing

After much hair-tearing, I've managed to set-up node.js and Parsoid on the server, which are required to get the WYSIWYG editor for Mediawiki to work. The WYSIWYG editor is very resource intensive using up all the CPU when loading a page and at times, several gigabytes of memory. I've had to limit it to 5 instances to avoid it completely overwhelming the server (I'm not sure what will happen if more than 5 people try to use the VisualEditor simultaneously). You can still access the old source-based editor by clicking "Edit Source" instead of "Edit" if there are any issues. On longer pages, it can take a while to load. It doesn't work properly on pages with many images (namely, the Romanian pages and the Foxtel (Australia) and Fetch TV (Australia) pages. For those pages, please continue to use the source editor. This is because with all the images on those pages, the service times out due to all the resources required to load all the images. If you prefer the old editor, please continue to use it, as it will help reduce the server load. Note also that VisualEditor does not work on user talk pages, such as this one. Tvchannellists (talk) 12:28, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

There must be something wrong as Wikipedia uses it. If their version uses all their resources, Wikipedia would never load. Branch (talk) 18:40, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

It seems fine on most pages; it's just the ones with lots of station logos that it really struggles with, and Wikipedia doesn't really have pages with hundreds of logos on them. I think these issues are to be expected. On VisualEditor's page on Mediawiki, it states about VisualEditor's limitations: "Slow to load — It will take some time for long, complex pages to load into VisualEditor. In the future the software will be a lot faster, and will allow for the loading of larger pages." I also assume Wikipedia has significantly more server resources available. Tvchannellists (talk) 23:31, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Standard Page Naming Conventions

I've noticed there are a few line-ups that just have their page name as the provider's name (e.g. Destiny Cable instead of List of channels on Destiny Cable), so I've created standard page naming guidelines and have added them to the policies page. We should probably rename non-descriptive page titles like the example. I will do it in the next few days if no one else gets to it in the meantime. Tvchannellists (talk) 13:49, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

Looks great! As I work on color standardization I'll put it there. Branch (talk) 23:41, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

HTTP > HTTPS Redirects Broken

I have noticed that it now redirects to the main page if an HTTP (non-HTTPS) link to a channel list is clicked. This is something to do with the redirection to HTTPS. Can this be fixed? Aetnla (talk) 10:41, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

Hi Aetnla. As we're about to move hosts, I've just disabled force HTTPS for now to resolve the issue. I'll try to figure it out once we've moved across. Tvchannellists (talk) 10:57, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

An HTTP page request should redirect to its HTTPS counterpart. Instead it redirects to the home page, which isn't good. Branch (talk) 12:05, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

I can't easily fix this due to how the server is configured. I can try to fix it, but if it doesn't work properly, there'll be downtime, which is even worse. I note that as Google re-crawls the site, it's starting to link to the HTTPS versions of the pages instead. Given that Google accounts for about 80% of the traffic origin for this site, the redirect might not be necessary. Tvchannellists (talk) 13:09, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

There's no option to have HTTP requests get redirected to the same link in HTTPS? That's annoying. Branch (talk) 23:45, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

There is, but the function is broken because of how the data was migrated over. Tvchannellists (talk) 09:21, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Oh, ok. Perhaps that's a question for the server people then? Branch (talk) 20:33, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

I tried that. In reply, they said that I should hire a developer experienced with Mediawiki to investigate the issue and that it might be specific to Mediawiki. Tvchannellists (talk) 00:39, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Well that makes no sense. Redirects (usually) have nothing to do with the contents of the site. I'd email them back as that makes very little sense. Branch (talk) 01:40, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

I haven't been able to find a resolution to this as of yet. I'd suggest simply going to the HTTPS version of the website if you want HTTPS. Tvchannellists (talk) 00:46, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Temporary ban proposal: Robert201

Trying to simplify the analog section for RCS & RDS, Robert201 started again to undo my edits and messed up my splitting process. Along with that, a few weeks earlier, he changed some logos on purpose twice and I had to undo his trolling. I am sick of him. ScytheChariot (talk) 19:00, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

UPDATE: Reasoned with him on a Romanian site (forum). Just misunderstanding. To be archived. ScytheChariot (talk) 20:15, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Scy, for future reference, as long as you follow this policy: https://www.tvchannellists.com/Disclaimers_%26_Policies#Policies you don't have to ask.

Thank you and sorry, I keep forgeting about the policies. ScytheChariot (talk) 07:54, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

New Page: List of over-the-air television stations in Taiwan

Virtual channel info provided by tv324.com (more details) 112.96.33.122 03:40, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your message and for contributing the channel listing. I have added a link to it on the main page. Tvchannellists (talk) 09:24, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

MediaWiki Update

I have updated the website to MediaWiki 1.27.1. If you encounter any issues, please let me know and I'll look into it. Tvchannellists (talk) 03:29, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

HTTPS Redirection

I've finally managed to get the HTTP => HTTPS redirection working properly without the redirect going back to the main page. As such. I've re-enabled the automatic HTTPS redirection. Tvchannellists (talk) 04:43, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

Awesome! Branch (talk) 19:56, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

Inactive Accounts Purge

Back in the early days of TVCL, we had some major spam issues. The spam was cleaned up and the issue resolved; however, a remnant of this was having over 1,000 registered accounts on the website. I've run a maintenance script to delete any account that has not made any contributions to the website and hasn't been logged into for the past two months. The subsequent user count following the purge is now under 100. Tvchannellists (talk) 05:27, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

I think all inactive accounts (no logins in 6 months) should just be auto-purged. Thoughts? Branch (talk) 19:55, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

I've seen accounts inactive for longer than 6 months become active again; however, I guess they could always just make another account. I'm not sure if there's even a function to automatically purge inactive accounts in Mediawiki. I only found a function to delete accounts that didn't have any contributions. Tvchannellists (talk) 01:38, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

I've gone through an purged some more accounts that hadn't really made any contributions. The user count is now in the 60s. I don't know if I can get rid of the blocked accounts though, as I'm not sure if it removes the block when I delete them, which wouldn't be something we'd want. Tvchannellists (talk) 06:39, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

More vandalism

Just reverted someone who distorted the AT&T U-Verse page. Trying to determine since it wasn't a normal IP address. --Longislandmedia (talk) 19:21, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

Appears to be an IPv6 address – assigned to AT&T, from what I can tell. @Branch Regarding your request for IPv6 on the site, I guess this shows that the site accessible via IPv6. Tvchannellists (talk) 23:39, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

Cool! Thanks! Branch (talk) 19:56, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

Can't access the site

Since last week, I can't access the site on a certain PC on any internet browser and I get this message on Google Chrome:

"This site can't provide a secure conection

The following site is using an unsupported protocol

ERR_SSL_VERSION_OR_CIPHER_MISMATCH" ScytheChariot (talk) 11:24, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

Hmm, I'm not sure why. I ran several web-based tests on the SSL set-up and I didn't get an error on any of the test sites. I've also tested the website on Windows, Mac and Android with Chrome, Firefox and IE and didn't get any problems. The site's analytics don't show any significant dip in visitors for the past two-week period either. If you want I can turn off the forced HTTPS redirection so you can continue to access the website on plain HTTP without encryption. What does it tell you when you visit this test site? Tvchannellists (talk) 12:11, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

I can confirm it's also working fine for me on OS X Chrome. Branch (talk) 23:46, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

Still unsolved; Probably it was Windows XP's fault? Also, I ran the SSL test and everything was fine. Well, it doesn't matter anymore since I can access regularly the site from a Windows 7 PC, where everything is fine. ScytheChariot (talk) 15:20, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

SuperMarioPlayer Vandalism

Looks like SuperMarioPlayer is back to his old habits since I reverted two more edits of him posting gibberish on Verizon line-up pages. There has also been some fresh IP vandalism on the AT&T U-Verse page which was similar to a previous vandalism incident by posting incorrect or non-existent SD channel numbers. --Longislandmedia (talk) 17:55, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

As per site policy he's been banned for 3 months (as his last ban was one month). He will get one more chance before it's permanent. Branch (talk) 22:14, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

Just reverted similar vandalism on the Frontier Fios (Indiana, Oregon, Washington) page under a different address. Since it's the same Step by Step gibberish, it's got to be SuperMarioPlayer (even if my comment mis-attributed it to Nintendo Player) --Longislandmedia (talk) 21:01, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Just placed a one week ban on that IP as per site policy due to the fact that SuperMarioPlayer has never used that IP to edit. Interestingly enough SuperMarioPlayer and NintendoPlayer have used the same IP, though, so I will keep an eye on them both. Branch (talk) 21:58, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

My guess would be that they are the same person, given the common IP address and both of the account names ending in "Player". Seems IPv6 access is opening up a can of worms in terms of block/ban circumvention. Tvchannellists (talk) 02:29, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

How is IPv6 allowing people to circumvent anymore? If either of the two accounts posts any more related spam, I'll block them both permanently as duplicate accounts are not allowed, and SuperMarioPlayer is on his last warning. Branch (talk) 15:22, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

Assuming an unregistered user, if their IPv4 address is blocked, the person can use their IPv6 address instead. Also, given the limited supply of IPv4 addresses, many ISPs will only issue one IPv4 address to a subscriber; however, with IPv6 having an enormous amount of IP addresses, some ISPs allow for multiple IP addresses per subscriber. In those cases, the person can easily switch IP addresses and circumvent blocks applied to specific IP addresses. Tvchannellists (talk) 01:35, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

Also, LongIslandMedia, would you like to become an admin (have rollback and blocking abilities)? I think you'd make a good one! Branch (talk) 15:23, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

Sorry I haven't had a chance to respond. I have a lot of busy time and bad hours so I just post when I can. I also received an email stating that I requested a password reset even though didn't send one. I just hope someone wasn't trying to hack into my account.--Longislandmedia (talk) 03:40, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Assuming the person who requested the reset doesn't have access to your e-mail, I think your account should be fine. Given that your password hasn't actually been reset and you can still get into your account, I would assume there was no intrusion. Tvchannellists (talk) 05:05, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

LongIslandMedia, I'm not on the site a lot either, but you're really good at catching vandalism, and if you want it, I think you'd make an awesome admin. Branch (talk) 12:59, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

So I've determined using checkuser that SuperMarioPlayer, NintendoPlayer, and the brand new Number 1 Player are all the same person. Here's where I'm conflicted though: SuperMarioPlayer account only posted spam, but NintendoPlayer actually makes some useful edits regarding the correct Wikipedia links, so I'm not sure if I should ban them. I've certainly banned new account creation from that IP. Branch (talk) 11:19, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I've had the same dilemma in the past when blocking those sets of accounts due to vandalism. At times, the posts are contributory but other times, it's vandalistic in nature (like adding song lyrics or random details about shows). So far, I've just blocked the specific offending account, but what you've done (blocking additional accounts from the same IP address) sounds like a good idea. The other thing is he has three sets of IP addresses he edits from – his home (AT&T), on his mobile/cellular (T-Mobile) device and at school (located in Los Angeles county, CA). The previously much-discussed 99.109.90.90 IP address is also the same user, as far as I can tell. I don't understand why someone would alternate between being productive and destructive in the first place... Tvchannellists (talk) 00:51, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

I know, it's weird. Maybe some accounts were hacked? I'm not sure. What say we on requiring an account to edit any page? It's not like it's that hard to get an account, and it will help with blocking etc. Branch (talk) 12:59, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

I wouldn't think that that's the case, since it's only the 'Player' accounts doing that and the IP addresses have been consistently from the same ISPs and he's been doing this for more than a year, I think. You'd think also he'd mention it if someone else was accessing his accounts and posting vandalism. I'm reluctant to block anonymous editing as there a fair few good contributors to the site who haven't signed up and I'm afraid that those contributors will simply stop contributing. I don't think it'd stop those trying to get around blocks as they can simply get a new IP address (e.g. via a VPN) and then make a new account. Tvchannellists (talk) 13:37, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

I just reverted some more anonymous vandalism on the DirecTV and Dish Network pages. They included falsely identifying channels as HD only, and on the Dish Network pages, blanking the international channel listings (although they are quite out of date since many channels have been moved and Hopper variations need to be included). I don't know if they share the same IP addresses as other vandals, but it should be looked into. --Longislandmedia (talk) 06:05, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Longislandmedia. From what I can tell, they're both AT&T IP addresses. Apart from those recent edits that you reverted, I can't see any other edits from those IP addresses. Tvchannellists (talk) 11:56, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

I just changed some edits which included some incorrect information, although some were corrections for errors that IP address 99.109. (I forgot the rest) used to do. Since he is on AT&T, it looks like he may be trying to circumvent his ban.--Longislandmedia (talk) 04:58, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Longislandmedia. If you think it would help with the vandalism, I can apply protection to the pages. Tvchannellists (talk) 12:19, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

It looks like all DirecTV and Dish Network pages will need protection since that's where I have been reverting edits.--Longislandmedia (talk) 18:39, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

I've applied protection onto those pages. Tvchannellists (talk) 23:00, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

This may help with vandalism

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ORES

Branch (talk) 01:11, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

I tried installing it, but it breaks the site when I activate it and every page just gives an 'Internal Server Error' message. Tvchannellists (talk) 12:32, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

MySQL Crash

Some of the site's MySQL tables crashed. I ran repair jobs on them and the site seems ok again. If any issues are encountered, please let me know Tvchannellists (talk) 12:36, 10 October 2016 (UTC).

Vandalism on Sky UK & Ireland and Forthcoming channels UK & Ireland pages

User with IP address 86.42.138.141‎ is continuing to add made up kids channels to these pages on a daily basis.

Hi Disco. Thanks for the vandalism report. I have placed a warning on 86.42.138.141's user page. Please let us know if there is any subsequent vandalism from this IP address and a ban will be applied as per the site's policies. Tvchannellists (talk) 11:24, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. A further instance today on the Sky UK and Ireland page - same user but this time using IP address 92.251.170.107. Disco

Hi Disco. I've enacted a one-week ban on both of those IP addresses as per the site's policies. However, the latter IP address appears to be a mobile IP address, so it's difficult to block that user, as IP addresses assigned to mobile devices can often change. Tvchannellists (talk) 14:26, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. She or he is now using 178.167.254.75 - see Forthcoming Channels page. Disco

Hi Disco. I've applied a one-month ban to the new IP address as well as the previous ones. Tvchannellists (talk) 01:42, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

If there continues to be vandalism, let me know, and I'll apply protection on the page so that only registered users can edit it. Tvchannellists (talk) 23:06, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

Several acts of vandalism this morning on the Sky UK & Ireland, 2016 channel changes and Virgin UK pages from IP 2a02:c7d:501b:dd00:d189:bd84:2741:910c. I think now would be the time to allow only registered uses to edit the UK pages. In fact given the vandalism problems more generally I'd recommend doing so for the site as a whole

I've added protection to the UK pages. Regarding requiring registration, if there continues to be issues after this instance, I will make registration mandatory in order to edit as I've noticed a bit of a catch 22 regarding the protection of pages. You need to be registered and have 10 edits in order to edit a protected page. But say you lived in the UK and could only contribute for the UK pages and all the UK pages were protected, no new user would be able to contribute anything. Tvchannellists (talk) 11:24, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

I say required registration, and then just mass-remove protection (except on admin-only pages which should stay admin only) Branch (talk) 15:11, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

I had the same feeling while editing Wikipedia. Lots of vandalism occurred on channel pages during the summer, which annoyed me as a whole. 78.143.168.59 17:58, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

Here are some examples of stupid edits:

* Magic (13 August 2016)

* Scuzz (10 July 2016)

* Chart Show Hits* (1 August 2016)

* At the time, it was CS Summer.

Thanks for your contributions, 78.143.168.59. To combat this vandalism, TV Channel Lists will now be requiring registration to make edits. As such, you will have to create an account in order to be able to continue contributing to the site. Tvchannellists (talk) 23:31, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

This would be convenient

For admins to alert each other about discussions on other's talk pages https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:Reply_to Branch (talk) 02:51, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

can we get it? Branch (talk) 15:11, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay. I thought that it was something that was already available on the site and you were just informing us. I tried to copy the template over, but it doesn't seem to work and there's no instructions on how to implement it – only how to use it. Tvchannellists (talk) 23:20, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

@Branch: Seems like it needed an extension to work. I think it's working now. Tvchannellists (talk) 23:24, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

@tvchannellists: it works great! Branch (talk) 22:09, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

Site Announcement – TV Channel Lists switching to registration-only editing

Due to continued vandalism on TV Channel Lists, we will be requiring registration on the site in order to edit pages on this wiki. There will be no changes to viewing the website – i.e. an account will not be required to view the site.

This requirement will be implemented imminently, so please create an account to be able to continue editing on the site. Once the change has occurred, all page protection restrictions will be removed, except for admin-only pages.

This change will also improve your privacy, as IP addresses will not be publicly viewable and will only be accessible to administrators.

On a related note, a user account purge will also occur to clean out unused accounts. This will apply to accounts who have been registered for more than 30 days, but have not made any contributions to the site. Tvchannellists (talk) 23:10, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

@Tvchannellists: I am in full support of this-- and I added a copy to the front page for easier visibility. Branch (talk) 22:14, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

@Branch: The new policy has now been implemented. Anonymous editing has been disabled. Tvchannellists (talk) 08:26, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

I have now removed protection on all non-admin-only pages. I've also installed an extension for the registration notice to appear on every page. Tvchannellists (talk) 08:44, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

@Tvchannellists: if you remove that extension, and install the much more robust https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CentralNotice, i'll create a banner for the announcement. Branch (talk) 17:33, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

@Branch: The extension you linked to says looks quite complicated and says that it's for implementation on multiple wikis and "If you only need to post messages to a single wiki, consider using Sitenotice instead." Is Sitenotice sufficient? Or is there something specific about CentralNotice that you want it for? It also says "CentralNotice is developed, tested, and known to be deployed only on wikis that do not use table prefixing. If your setup uses table prefixing there is no guarantee this plugin will work." TV Channel Lists does use table prefixes, so it might also have issues. Tvchannellists (talk) 08:38, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

@Tvchannellists: SiteNotice should be good. Just the idea of having a banner as opposed to the plain text would make it more visable and make it look a little more professional. Branch (talk) 14:07, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

@Branch: SiteNotice is installed by default. I've removed the current notice and have replaced it by a banner only visible to anonymous users. If you sign out, you should be able to see it. Feel free to edit it. Since most regular users should know by now about the reasons behind the change, I've simplified/shortened the text on the banner. Tvchannellists (talk) 00:58, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

@Tvchannellists: How/where is it edited? Branch (talk) 01:58, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

@Branch: It's located here: MediaWiki:Anonnotice‎‎ It's just HTML code in a wiki page. I believe the methodology would be similar (i.e. HTML code) if we were to use Centralnotice extension. Tvchannellists (talk) 02:05, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

@Branch: I've taken out the line breaks to try and reduce the size of the notice. Whilst it looks fine on desktop, on mobile (which accounts for about 75% of the site's visitors), it takes up about a third of the screen even now without the line breaks. Tvchannellists (talk) 03:00, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

@Tvchannellists: is there a way to show different ones for mobile vs. desktop? Branch (talk) 12:32, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

@Branch: After fiddling around a bit with the CSS, yes, it appears to be possible. Since desktops are almost always in landscape orientation, I've set it to assume it's a mobile device if the screen orientation is in portrait. At the moment, it simply hides the notice for mobile devices as the vast majority of edits to the site occur on desktop, so the notice would be mostly irrelevant to mobile viewers who (I assume) are generally just sitting in front of their TV and trying to find the channel number for the channel they want to watch. Tvchannellists (talk) 22:54, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

Another Server Upgrade

There has been a bit of a spike in traffic lately, so to avoid slowdowns during peak periods, I've upgraded to a more expensive hosting plan yet again. Once the hosting provider puts the upgrade through, the site will have double the RAM and CPU cores. Hopefully, this will resolve the capacity issues. Tvchannellists (talk) 14:36, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

@tvchannellists:cool! will this help in loading visualeditor faster or is that different? Branch (talk) 01:33, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

@Branch: I would think that it would help to some degree, though I'm not sure by how much. Still waiting for the hosting provider to implement the upgrade, at the moment. Tvchannellists (talk) 03:29, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

The server upgrade has now been implemented by the hosting provider. Tvchannellists (talk) 22:23, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Number 1 Player

While this person hasn't posted anything incorrect...yet. I have my suspicions that it could be the same as Nintendo Player, SuperMarioPlayer, and the AT&T IP address since this has been mentioned in the past. It looks like going to registered users has reduced vandalism although contribution traffic has also slowed down, but at least it keeps the vandals from making a mess. --Longislandmedia (talk) 04:10, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I assume it's the same person. It's an unusual case in terms of applying the ban policy to him because at times he contributes correct information and at other times, he puts in random jibberish. I'll let Branch decide what to do since he's been implementing the bans on him so far. Tvchannellists (talk) 07:53, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

@Longislandmedia: It's hard because he does sometimes post correct information, like about Pivot (what he just added). Any jibberish will result in a 3 month ban on all their accounts (as right now i think supermario and nintendo are on 1 month). following that, it's a perm. ban as per our site policies.

I believe SuperMarioPlayer is on a longer ban for the gibberish postings. The only question is whether the postings under multiple identities is a deliberate attempt to circumvent the bans, and if they are the same person, it obviously is. --Longislandmedia (talk) 18:21, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

@Longislandmedia: you're correct, he's on his 3 month ban now. any jibberish will result in a permanent ban on all his accounts (they're already banned from making new ones). it's hard though because as I said the info they post is sometimes accurate. Branch (talk) 20:17, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

Dylanman10 is vandalising the Sky UK and Forthcoming channels in UK pages with made up kids channels. It won't be the same everywhere but the main reason for reduced contribution traffic in the UK and Ireland is lack of anything happening! Disco (talk) 07:01, 26 October 2016 (UTC)Disco

I've looked at the IP addresses and it's the same vandal as before. As it's his fourth offence, I've given him a three-month ban. The next offence will be a permanent ban. If vandalism continues to be an issue, I might have to take it to the next level and introduce e-mail verification. However, the problem is, as Longislandmedia mentioned, whilst making it more difficult to contribute reduces the vandalism, it's also disincentivising legitimate contributions to the site. I've noticed a marked reduction in contributions after requiring registration to edit and I'm not sure where it's best to draw the line to strike a good balance between a crackdown on vandalism versus ensuring legitimate contributors don't avoid contributing owing to the anti-vandalism measures in place. Tvchannellists (talk) 07:53, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

Further Vandalism by Number 1 Player

I just reverted an edit from Number 1 player noting more Step by Step jibberish which is what SuperMarioPlayer did. It didn't take long for the old habits to resurface.--Longislandmedia (talk) 01:42, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Number 1 Player (a.k.a. SuperMarioPlayer, NintendoPlayer, 99.109.90.90, etc.) has just created another account, 'Netflix'. I have permanently banned the new account as per site policy. As for his 'Number 1 Player' account, I'll let @Branch: decide, as he has been implementing the bans to his existing accounts so far.

Could someone also check the edits done by 'Netflix' before I blocked that account? As I don't know enough about those providers to know if the changes are accurate or not. Tvchannellists (talk) 22:43, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Netflix actually deleted information that was on the page. Since it is clear that he is creating multiple accounts to circumvent bans than all the given accounts should go to permanent bans and that IP address blocked from any activity on this page.--Longislandmedia (talk) 22:53, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Do you know if the deletions were because the deleted information was incorrect? Or it was deleted just as vandalism? I'm trying to figure out if those deletions need to be reverted.

Oddly enough, he didn't create the 'Netflix' account to circumvent bans, as he had the 'Number 1 Player' account which he could still edit from, so I don't even know why he decided to create another account. I'll give Branch the final say as to what happens next, though I agree with you and I think that a ban on all accounts/editing from that user is warranted. Tvchannellists (talk) 23:27, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

As much as I hate to say it (because he is helpful sometimes), he's violating site policy, and therefore needs a perm ban. Branch (talk) 14:47, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

I have applied the permanent ban and have posted an explanation regarding the ban on his talk page. Tvchannellists (talk) 07:36, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

It's probably the right move but it's a shame because he just added correct information about FiOS (addition of Sur Peru) that we probably wouldn't have found otherwise. If only he didn't insert so much false info. Branch (talk) 12:10, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Nintendo Player Ban

It looks like Nintendo Player's ban has ended since he did a ton of changes. While they were not vandalism, the permanent ban put on Number 1 player, Netflix has to be extended to this account and SuperMarioPlayer because of the flagrant violations of the multiple account rule. --Longislandmedia (talk) 08:58, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Permanent Ban applied. Again, you should really be a mod. Branch (talk) 01:35, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

@Branch: Thanks for getting that sorted, Branch. Tvchannellists (talk) 08:21, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Creating Pages

Where is it set up so you can create a page? I just updated the Bell page as best as I could. The Bell website and TV listings sites haven't been good on posting current information. I want to create the Bell Fibe page so I can split the Bell TV satellite and Bell Fibe IPTV listings onto separate pages. --Longislandmedia (talk) 00:34, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

@Longislandmedia: I've created a Bell Fibe page for you. Once info is transferred over, I'll update the home page. Are the line ups really that different? Branch (talk) 01:14, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

There are minor differences. Broadcast stations are placed differently since Bell Fibe is regional and not national. French channels are on different numbers, and some channels are on one provider, but not the other. Bell Fibe has more HD and international programming.--Longislandmedia (talk) 08:10, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi Longislandmedia. To make a new page, all you need to do is to type in the title you want into the website address e.g. "http://www.tvchannellists.com/Name of New Page". Tvchannellists (talk) 20:18, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

@Longislandmedia: if you could update List of Bell TV Channels and remove the admin note and if you feel like it's ok, you can remove the banner as well. Branch (talk) 18:37, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Call to action: Charter Lineup

Hi All!

I want to delete the Bright House and Time Warner lineups as they were bought out by Charter (Spectrum). However I don't feel comfortable doing that until we have a Charter Spectrum lineup. If anyone wants to begin that, I'd really appreciate it! Thanks! Branch (talk) 00:23, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

The updates that I did to the New York city lineup that I did last time included the channels that were added in November when it was changed to the Spectrum name. They are in the process of renaming the systems. The systems in Upstate NY are still using the Time Warner name for now even though the New York Metro systems have been renamed. Unless there's something different, the lineups posted just have to be renamed and moved to a Charter list.--Longislandmedia (talk) 08:40, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

@Longislandmedia: Does Spectrum have one central lineup for all its areas or is it like Comcast w/ a different lineup for each area (not counting the areas where its still technically BHN or TWC)? There's also the issue of the fact that TWC lineups look horrible (not in a table). Someone would need to make one a la Verizon/Frontier (and many other carriers on this site).Branch (talk) 18:15, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

As of right now, the systems that were under Time Warner have standardized the lineup for Channels 100 up with variations since smaller cable networks are not universally carried across Time Warner. Channels 1-99 are all different from region to region. The Brighthouse and Charter lineups are all different from location to location. The web sites are cumbersome to find channel lineups since you have to plug in zip codes to get lineups for specific systems. --Longislandmedia (talk) 19:26, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

@Longislandmedia: Ah, so Comcast style. I guess I should delete them now since they're not useful anymore? Branch (talk) 18:57, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

That's the way most cable systems in the US are anyway. Only Dish and the Telco-Fiber companies are standardized. We could just rename the existing pages to Spectrum and keep the separate city lineups that are listed. We would probably need more people to gather the other lineups. --Longislandmedia (talk) 19:10, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

@Longislandmedia: Well we do need Comcast (close to, if not, #1 provider in the US). And if we want to keep TWC and BHN and add Charter they need to be in tables with package listings like others. I'm also going to delete Midco because that lineup is just a mess-- there's not even channel numbers. Branch (talk) 20:15, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

The Arcadian

Apparently, we have a new poster who is emulating the habit of a certain multi-banned account spammer. (Nintendo player, supermarioplayer, number 1 player, Netflix, 99.109 IP address). Can someone confirm if it's the same person? Maybe I should take that administration position so that I can keep blocking his attempts to post if it is him.--Longislandmedia (talk) 06:02, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

@Longislandmedia: Yep, it was them. They've been blocked. @Tvchannellists:, can you make LongIslandMedia an admin?. Branch (talk) 13:29, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

And now he's created another account, Arcadian photo. At this point, a report to his IP provider for abuse may be necessary since he continues to troll with a new account after each account gets banned. His provider could penalize him for this abuse. --Longislandmedia (talk) 07:15, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

I've blocked the new account. I'm not sure a report to the ISP would achieve anything, as he's not actually doing anything illegal, as far as I can tell. His IP addresses alternate between "Los Angeles County Office of Education" (where I assume he attends school), AT&T (I assume his ISP at home) and T-Mobile (I assume his cellular device). Tvchannellists (talk) 11:30, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

I guess we just have to block every new account he creates. The only thing is it can be considered trolling behavior.--Longislandmedia (talk) 16:33, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

I've gone through and blocked every IP he's used that I can find. @Tvchannellists: can you make LongIslandMedia an admin? Branch (talk) 20:19, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

Sure, if Longislandmedia replies here and says he wants to be an admin, I'll promote him. Tvchannellists (talk) 20:26, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

Count me in.--Longislandmedia (talk) 21:17, 16 December 2016 (UTC) I guess I need to learn how to check IP addresses. I was trying to check if new user Apaches101 has a similar IP address since he posted on many of the same pages. No false info yet, but knowing his MO, I just want to be sure. --Longislandmedia (talk) 04:48, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

You can use Check User (see special pages on the left side of the page) and that gives you tons of info. Branch (talk) 15:47, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

Is it supposed to be on the left side with tools. I have block user, but not check user there. I caught some changes on Dish Network that I can't verify, but I reverted 2 that I know to be false. Unfortunately, my main reference source, jameslong.name hasn't been updated since August and it used to be updated daily. I am starting to suspect our troll created another user name.--Longislandmedia (talk) 06:50, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

@Longislandmedia:Can you access this page? Special:CheckUser Tvchannellists (talk) 11:21, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

I was able to get into that. It looks I have to go off site to check the address listed. Which option is the best for tracing? First time I really did this sort of thing.--Longislandmedia (talk) 13:02, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Apaches101 is using an IPv6 address, which is a bit harder to track. Normally, with IPv4 addresses, the 'WHOIS' button will give enough details, but in the case of IPv6, try the 'Geolocate' option instead. That reveals that Apaches101 is using AT&T and is located somewhere around San Diego. It also indicates that the IPv6 range he's using is for mobiles/cell phones, which is why there are numerous IP addresses tied to that account, as cell phones don't usually have static IP addresses, making it more difficult to block. Tvchannellists (talk) 13:22, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

That explains a lot. Our previous offender does have an AT&T account. The only question is if he is using those IP addresses to hide his trail. I may have to wait until he reverts to form with blatantly false posts or Step by Step and Blossom jibberish. He stated that DirecTV dropped all their Indian channels, but I don't have access to that satellite to confirm it. So, it remains to be determined if they went Dish Network exclusive, or DirecTV is vacating the 95 degree orbital location like they have 72.7.--Longislandmedia (talk) 15:15, 19 December 2016 (UTC) According to Lyngsat, the Indian channels are still on DirecTV.--Longislandmedia (talk) 15:24, 19 December 2016 (UTC) He does share the same behavior of the banned users, but I will have to wait until he published false information or gibberish in order to take action.--Longislandmedia (talk) 15:49, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

I did notice the similar behavior. However as you said unless using the check user you can verify it's them, we have to follow the graduated ban policy. Branch (talk) 18:05, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

I am keeping an eye on him. I had to correct his Bridges TV note. Granted, that channel had a fairly obscure history that most people wouldn't know about. He's been good at hiding his IP address, but I am waiting for him to slip up because if he's who I think he is, he very likely will.--Longislandmedia (talk) 01:08, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

VisualEdit is broken

titles explains it! Branch (talk) 14:47, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

@Branch: Thanks for letting me know, Branch. I've restarted the Parsoid service and it seems to be working again now. Tvchannellists (talk) 12:04, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

New account Dylan fagan‎ vandalising again

Dylan fagan‎ is vandalising the Sky and UK/Ireland forthcoming changes pages again with made up kids channel launches. Presumably the ban imposed has come to an end.

@Disco: Hi Disco. Thanks for reporting the vandalism. The ban that was imposed was permanent; however, he has made a new account. I have applied a permanent ban to that account now as well. Tvchannellists (talk) 19:02, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

It's still occurring? I thought it ended a few months ago! POWERStarz2004 (talk) 19:18, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

@POWERStarz2004: It did, but he made a new account a day or two ago to circumvent the ban. Tvchannellists (talk) 20:07, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

@Tvchannellists: Thanks. POWERStarz2004 (talk) 21:05, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

Back vandalising the Sky UK again with made kids' channels - now under user name Sunita fagan.

Blocked. thank you. Branch (talk) 18:11, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

Happy New Year

I want to wish everyone at Tvchannellists a very Happy New Year. POWERStarz2004 (talk) 00:04, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, POWERStarz2004. Happy New Year to you and everyone else here as well. Thank you also to everyone for their contributions throughout the year and to the admins for their administration of the site policies, keeping the many trolls and spammers at bay. Tvchannellists (talk) 13:22, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

Happy new year to everyone! Here's what happened in 2016: https://www.tvchannellists.com/Site_News_%26_Updates. It's a lot! In 2017 we should focus on clearing out the list of pages needing improvement and adding lineup data for the new Charter Spectrum and also Comcast, the two biggest tv providers in the US. Branch (talk) 14:29, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

E-Mail

Hey, do you by any chance have a webmaster email set up for contact? Mynameisjeff (talk) 20:09, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

There is, but, generally, I'd prefer you use the talk pages as there are several admins here who can assist, whereas only I have access to the e-mail address and I don't generally use it. However, if you need to discuss something that you don't want to appear on the website, try admin@tvchannellists.com Tvchannellists (talk) 20:41, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

OK... Emailed! Check your spam folder, the protonmail signature might be generating problems. Mynameisjeff (talk) 21:34, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

SBB

Mind if we add this (https://www.tvchannellists.com/List_of_Channels_on_SBB_%28D3%29) to the home page? I almost finished it, gonna expand it even more soon. Mynameisjeff (talk) 15:34, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Please add this source in the Home Page:

|- | style="font-weight: bold;" | Serbia | Cable
SBB

All done. Tvchannellists (talk) 10:52, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. Gonna add the radios now, then I'm finished. Just gonna double check if the frequencies and the channel data are correct, will mess with the logos later as it's pretty annoying. Mynameisjeff (talk) 11:13, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

@Tvchannellists: Finished. If anyone wants to assist with the logos that would be nice. Mynameisjeff (talk) 12:31, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Just did some fixing, can you correct the link on the front page from "List of Channels on SBB (D3)" to "List of channels on SBB (D3)"? Thanks. Mynameisjeff (talk) 12:17, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

@Tvchannellists: Anyone? Also, RTY1957, please stop reverting the move for the reasons I already explained. Mynameisjeff (talk) 12:10, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

@Mynameisjeff: Apologies for the delay; this has been corrected now. Tvchannellists (talk) 22:20, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

@Mynameisjeff: No need to apologize. Also, thanks. Mynameisjeff (talk) 22:25, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Images

I'd like to have image deletion permissions. So many duplicates, so little time... Mynameisjeff (talk) 14:38, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Give it a try now. Tvchannellists (talk) 04:03, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

SKY HD México

Please add this link in the Home Page... ( https://www.tvchannellists.com/List_of_channels_on_Sky_HD_(México) ) Country: México Name: SKY HD Satellite

Javier38 (talk) 20:36, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

All done. Tvchannellists (talk) 00:22, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Robert201

I believe he was blocked by mistake, TBH. Mynameisjeff (talk) 17:37, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Block removed. I will presume his blanking was unintentional and trying to clean up Admin's vandalism. --Longislandmedia (talk) 19:07, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

CataGamerTVCL

I also woke up and saw a massive amount of vandalism with pages being blanked with non-English comments about a Romanian provider. When I saw it posted on the Verizon Fios page, I reverted it and then Admin started posting it on my talk pages. I blocked a few accounts posting this stuff and mynameisjeff helped with cleaning up the European pages which were also vandalized. --Longislandmedia (talk) 16:25, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

No problem. There is also Shauna fagan‎, a known sock which posts made up kids channels on the UK lineups. There were posts about it here. Also "password", pretty sure that's another Admin sock. I also think it would be smart to lock out talk pages for them too, as Admin spammed the living hell out of everyone with mentions on his talk page. Mynameisjeff (talk) 16:27, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

From what I can tell, Password, Username and Admin are all the previously blocked user CataGamerTVCL, given the same pattern of posting about TVR to users' talk pages. All these new accounts now have indefinite blocks. I've also indefinitely blocked Fagan's duplicate account as per site policy on multiple accounts. Tvchannellists (talk) 23:11, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

I also wanted to thank Longislandmedia and Mynameisjeff for cleaning up the mess the trolls made. We have three main trolls on this site at the moment: 99.109.90.90 (SuperNintendoPlayer, etc.) (California), CataGamerTVCL (Romania) and Dylan Fagan (Ireland). Tvchannellists (talk) 23:22, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

We should also NOT allow people to be named "Admin", for obvious purposes. Branch (talk) 23:17, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

I agree. I'm surprised MediaWiki even lets an account named 'Admin' be created. But since that account now exists and is blocked, I assume there can't be any other users under the name 'Admin'. Tvchannellists (talk) 23:22, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

I adjusted CataGamer's ban from the 3 month they were on to indefinite for breaches in site policy. Branch (talk) 02:01, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Hello

May i block people please? Maria-Alexandra (talk) 12:25, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Hello. Only admins can block users. If you think someone has contravened the site's policies, please provide the details here and one of the admins will apply the block, if appropriate. Thanks. Tvchannellists (talk) 22:21, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

@Tvchanellists I need more edits so i can be an admin. Maria-Alexandra (talk) 11:15, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

You shouldn't be making edits just to be an admin. Again, if you need someone blocked, let us know and we'll do it. Branch (talk) 13:39, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

This page

https://www.tvchannellists.com/Old_Channel_List_of_digital_channels_on_RCS_%26_RDS Isn't this kind of useless? Also, it's a complete mess, but I can sort that out. BTW Why was CataGamer banned? Mynameisjeff (talk) 10:08, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

CataGamerTVCL was blocked by Scythechariot due to his consistent vandalism:

I believe he is also the same user as 'Password', 'Username' and 'Admin'. Compare CataGamerTVCL's spam:

https://www.tvchannellists.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Branch&diff=prev&oldid=30653

To Username's spam:

https://www.tvchannellists.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Branch&diff=31669&oldid=31666

The block log is below:

02:17, 22 January 2017 ScytheChariot blocked CataGamerTVCL with an expiration time of 3 months (account creation disabled, cannot edit own talk page) (Inserting false information: Uploading false logos after another ban.)

02:40, 5 January 2017 ScytheChariot blocked CataGamerTVCL with an expiration time of 2 weeks (account creation disabled, cannot edit own talk page) (Inserting false information: SundanceTV HD logo is not used in CEE.)

00:04, 20 September 2016 ScytheChariot blocked CataGamerTVCL with an expiration time of 1 week (account creation disabled, cannot edit own talk page) (Inserting false information)

Tvchannellists (talk) 22:35, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Regarding the Old Channel List-- I propose deletion. No need for old channel lists on this site. Old channel changes are one thing-- but channel lists are completely useless. Thoughts? Branch (talk) 02:33, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Support for deletion. That makes 3/5 admins, so I'm deleting the page. Tvchannellists (talk) 09:53, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Coming back to Catagamer-- is it just my talkpage that gets spammed? Anyone else's talkpage? Branch (talk) 01:59, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

He posted on my talk page when I reverted the vandalism edits he did on the Verizon FiOS page. --Longislandmedia (talk) 05:51, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

He blanked this talk page as well. Tvchannellists (talk) 08:46, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Help!

TVR 4 has edited Canal S. I reverted his edit. Could you block him for infinite please? Thanks. Maria-Alexandra (talk) 08:48, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

He's blocked already. Mynameisjeff (talk) 08:58, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

TOR

I think instead of banning exit nodes, we should install more DNSBL's to prevent TOR users from registering. Also required email (and whitelisted email, there are tons of disposable ones). Mynameisjeff (talk) 08:58, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

I will be installing this extension soon: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TorBlock

If that doesn't resolve the issues, I'll add more counter-measures. Tvchannellists (talk) 09:00, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Still doesn't prevent him from using proxy apps/web proxies and the likes, so I think DNSBL's and maybe this extension (If the DNSBL's don't block TOR that good) too are the way to go. Mynameisjeff (talk) 09:11, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

DNSBLs were already in use; I've added the extension now also. Tvchannellists (talk) 09:17, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

OK! Also, check you email. Mynameisjeff (talk) 09:19, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Additional admin – Mynameisjeff

Please welcome Mynameisjeff as the fifth site admin, who has been very active in cleaning out the vandalism, spam, false information and duplicates here on TV Channel Lists. Tvchannellists (talk) 09:44, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Robert201

As per site policy, Robert201 has been permanently banned from the website due to the use of multiple accounts (RTY1957, RTY1958) to circumvent bans, as well vandalism and false information. Tvchannellists (talk) 09:47, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Another banned sock on the list: BKS1878. Mynameisjeff (talk) 10:17, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Proxies blocked from editing

I am trialling the AutoProxyBlock extension to try and curtail our resident trolls' attempts to circumvent their bans. If I've set it up correctly, it should be using Wikipedia's proxy ban list. Tvchannellists (talk) 13:33, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure that it's working; however, we also have the TOR blocking extension and DNSBL active, which will hopefully limit the trolls from editing. Tvchannellists (talk) 14:22, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

You should remove both the TOR and the AutoProxyBlock extension, none of them are working, TVR 5 just registered with TOR. Mynameisjeff (talk) 17:25, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

I've removed the extensions for now. Tvchannellists (talk) 02:29, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Block and nuke should also be removed, no longer working. Mynameisjeff (talk) 08:02, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Done. Tvchannellists (talk) 08:47, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

What is TOR? Maria-Alexandra (talk) 17:29, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

It allows for anonymised access to the Internet – somewhat similar to a VPN. See: Tor (anonymity network) Tvchannellists (talk) 02:29, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Apaches 101

It looks like he finally tripped up. I just put the first ban on his account because he was falsely posting Esquire removals in March that are not confirmed since announcements were that the channel is supposed to shut down this summer. He also prematurely took Cloo off lineups ahead of the February 1st shutdown which is so far only based on notifications from affiliates but no official announcement from Cloo. This does confirm to me that Apaches 101 is our multiple account spammer since he usually takes awhile before posting false stuff. Since I only gave him a one-week ban on the account, I did permanent ban--Longislandmedia (talk) 05:19, 1 February 2017 (UTC)s on his IP addresses so that he cannot create additional accounts to circumvent the bans. --Longislandmedia (talk) 07:19, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Just had to block another account created, Arcadian Yearbook since it seems like he is again creating another account to avoid his ban so I made both accounts permanent bans. --Longislandmedia (talk) 05:19, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Just blocked two more accounts AHS2017 and AHSClass2017 which I wasn't sure, but also seem to be from our multiple account abuser. This is just getting too ridiculous in that he constantly tries to circumvent the bans. It might be a good idea to just block his AT&T ISP at this point and see what that does.--Longislandmedia (talk) 03:47, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

AT&T is a huge ISP to ban though; banning AT&T would result in many potential users being blocked as it's one of the largest ISPs in the U.S. Even if we do block AT&T, he also edits from his cellular IP address range (T-Mobile) and from his school IP address range as well. Tvchannellists (talk) 10:52, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Doesn't the policy state that if one is using proxies/VPN's/private networks/schools/etc to vandalize, we have the right to ban the range? Mynameisjeff (talk) 11:26, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

We can ban a range, but not a whole ISP. Branch (talk) 13:11, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

That may be the way to go. When I banned the one account, I blocked about 18 IP and VPN addresses that he had been using under that handle. but I never set up range blocks. --Longislandmedia (talk) 05:34, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

I'm OK with applying range blocks for persistent breaches of site policy. Tvchannellists (talk) 22:22, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Banned the range since there are reports of this going way back to September 2016. Mynameisjeff (talk) 08:49, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Updated Misconduct Policy & DC/Policy Page

I updated the Misconduct Policy to remove references to anonymous/IP-only editing, since that's no longer possible anymore.

I also moved "Personal Attacks on Other Users" to permanent ban, from the graduated ban. Even though we haven't had an incident yet, I feel we shouldn't give second chances-- though I'm happy to change it back if other admins feel differently.

Finally, I added a section about changes to the page, so users know how to suggest changes, and are aware of the voting procedure we've been using (simple majority of admins).

Branch (talk) 02:10, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, Branch. I'm fine with the change. Another rule to consider implementing is the disallowing of any editing from anonymised IP addresses, due to the blocked users using these services to create new accounts. Tvchannellists (talk) 12:12, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Well anon-IP users can't edit, right? Do you mean creating accounts with anon-IPs? Also, one more admin and the change to personal attacks stays. Branch (talk) 13:28, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

I'm neutral. Mostly depends on what you mean by "personal attacks", is it just being aggressive or being really insulting? The problem is that some people can make good contributions to the site, but when involved in disputes become aggressive and/or really insulting, but, I also think this is a good idea too, as some really aren't fit with for wikias. For now I vote yes, but we will see how it pans out. Mynameisjeff (talk) 13:36, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

While on the topic of new policies, I really think we need to have some sort of punishment for ignoring advices/warning/questions about edits/etc. on talk pages from admins. It's really annoying. Mynameisjeff (talk) 14:00, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

By personal attacks I don't mean just an insult, like "your edit sucks", I mean something more along the lines of a personal attack where the attack is based solely on the user and has no basis in the wiki. I'll keep the change in limbo until another admin gives their approval. If they don't, I'll revert back. I don't think we can punish users for not responding to admin's questions, but ignoring warnings on site policy would allow the admin to move up in the graduated ban system (1 week) Branch (talk) 14:26, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Fair enough, I support then. By ignoring admins on talk pages I mean when an admin posts on your talk page because you removed some content (or all) with no explanation, added false and/or unsourced info, etc. and that user purposely ignores you on their talk page. That's the kind of situations that should be avoided. Mynameisjeff (talk) 14:31, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

With 3/5 admins, the change to personal attacks has officially passed. Regarding users ignoring you about adding false or unsourced info (or any other "minor" offense), if they do it again after warning, you can block them for one week, then month, etc etc in accordance with our graduated ban system. Branch (talk) 14:36, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Updated the policy because of our new email required editing/registration rule. Mynameisjeff (talk) 11:49, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

Maybe this will help with the cache issues with the logos

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:CloudFlare#Cache_control

Whilst the caching causes issues when logos are updated, generally, the images should be cached, as the logos are one of the largest users of the site's bandwidth. I'm trying to avoid needing to upgrade the site's resources again as it's already on its 4th upgrade and these upgrades incur ongoing increased costs to keep the site up. If you've done an update of logos, you can let me know and I can do a cache purge on Cloudflare. I've completely purged the cache just now (I can also do one by one image cache purges). Tvchannellists (talk) 12:09, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Looks like after the PHP update it's finally caching properly. Also, check you email. Mynameisjeff (talk) 16:55, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

Country flags

I am in the process of uploading new country flags. I think you'll like them. Mynameisjeff (talk) 10:21, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Uploaded. If any of the admins want the old flags back, message me and I'll revert. Mynameisjeff (talk) 10:41, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for that. They're clearer than the old ones. Even though I cleared the cache, some flags were still stuck on the old one and I had to use Ctrl+Refresh in Chrome to get it to update (just refreshing didn't make Chrome reload the image). Tvchannellists (talk) 12:11, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

No problem. Do you like them? I will still keep the old revisions of the old flags just in case though. Mynameisjeff (talk) 12:12, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

I'm good with the new ones; either set's fine with me. Tvchannellists (talk) 12:36, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

I'll vote for them (making 3/5 admins), though they are a bit fuzzy on my screen-- may just be me. Branch (talk) 13:27, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

All fine here, no fuzziness. Try doing F5, maybe it has caching issues? Mynameisjeff (talk) 13:30, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Cleared the cache and they look so much better-- great job! These now have my full support. Branch (talk) 13:36, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! Mynameisjeff (talk) 13:37, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

@Mynameisjeff: i gave them their own column so they're all aligned. only thing I couldn't figure out was how to pad the text of the first and third column so the text isn't right up against the line. Branch (talk) 13:51, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

What about only leaving the country/continent flags, then having the name of the country/continent when hovered on the flag? Seems like an OK solution to me. Mynameisjeff (talk) 13:53, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Humans process text faster than images, so I don't think that's a good idea. Branch (talk) 14:05, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

I don't know every country's flag from memory and I suspect most people would be the same, so doing that would probably slow people down if they're looking for a specific country. It'd also affect Google's indexing of the page, so I think we should leave the text. Tvchannellists (talk) 09:59, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

Fair enough. I'm for leaving the text then. Mynameisjeff (talk) 10:06, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

Updates

MediaWiki, PHP, SQL, and ICU all need to be updated. The Echo Extension does as well. Also, how does one create a banner like the anonnotice one? Want to make the opening line of the D&P page a banner so we can have a TOC without that message showing in the TOC. Branch (talk) 14:10, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

@Branch: I have created a banner for the D&P page that doesn't show in the TOC. Tvchannellists (talk) 10:06, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

Are we on shared? If so, not a lot the lead admin can do except ask for the hosting to update PHP and SQL. MediaWiki and Echo can be updated, not sure what is ICU. Mynameisjeff (talk) 14:15, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

IIRC we're not on shared (it was one of the upgrades that happened last year) anymore. ICU is just one of the things listed under PHP and SQL, that according to their site, we are about 8 versions behind on. I don't know if all of the things in my original post can be updated, just wanted to put them there in case. Branch (talk) 14:26, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

The web server is cPanel-based. cPanel does not support mySQL 5.7 – see this link for details. Until a few days ago, they said they were never going to upgrade to mySQL 5.7. I have updated PHP to 7.0. I don't know how to upgrade ICU, but I don't think it's important – seems to just be something about international character support (Unicode) and this site is in English in any case. I have also updated Echo to the latest version. Tvchannellists (talk) 00:49, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

The Echo update broke the site. It's disabled for the time being until I can get it working again. Tvchannellists (talk) 00:55, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

I will also attempt to update the site to MediaWiki 1.28 later today when it's quieter. Tvchannellists (talk) 01:16, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

The site has now been updated to MediaWiki 1.28. Tvchannellists (talk) 09:45, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

It seems like MediaWiki 1.28 is causing some errors with the site; I'm looking into it now. Tvchannellists (talk) 09:51, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

Appears to be a problem with the Check User extension. I have updated the extension now. Tvchannellists (talk) 09:55, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

Echo functionality has been restored. Tvchannellists (talk) 11:27, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

Why do I keep getting signed out? Mynameisjeff (talk) 11:29, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure; I haven't had any issues. Try clearing your cookies for the site maybe? And do you have stay signed in ticked? Tvchannellists (talk) 11:31, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

All fine now, but I still think you should purge the Cloudflare cache just to make sure. Mynameisjeff (talk) 11:35, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

Purge done. Tvchannellists (talk) 11:40, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. Looks like the log out issue has been solved. Mynameisjeff (talk) 11:43, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

Unused accounts purge

I have purged accounts that have made no contributions to the site and have not been accessed within the past month. 64 unused accounts have been purged. Tvchannellists (talk) 01:18, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

For other admins

@ScytheChariot: and @Longislandmedia:, just wanted to know, feel free to use the headers on my user page and talk page on your own. I've found they help with directing people where to go. Branch (talk) 02:44, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks bruh. Mynameisjeff (talk) 17:35, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Note about IP address blocks for other admins

I note that Dylan created a new account from the same IP address as his previous account and I was wondering why he could, given that "Automatically block the last IP address used by this user, and any subsequent IP addresses they try to edit from" was ticked. Reading up on this feature, by default, MediaWiki only applies this IP address block for 24 hours, so if you want to block the IP address permanently, you need to block the IP address itself also. Tvchannellists (talk) 00:58, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

E-Mail

We should really make e-mail required for registrations, the socks are out of control. Mynameisjeff (talk) 09:15, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

At one point in the past, I had e-mails required; however, spam bots signed up using trap e-mail addresses, placing the site on RBL listings and the whole site was suspended by the web host because "tons of spam going out for bogus account details reminders etc.". I disabled the e-mail requirement after that. Maybe it's time to try it again, though. Tvchannellists (talk) 09:36, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

Can we set up an email whitelist, so that only gmail, yahoo, outlook and protonmail users for example sign up? Mynameisjeff (talk) 09:51, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

What about people who use their ISP e-mails, work e-mails, university e-mails, etc. though? Tvchannellists (talk) 09:52, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

Those are very rare cases in this day and age, though. I suppose we can allow some ISP emails too. Mynameisjeff (talk) 10:03, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

E-mail verification is now mandatory for edit privileges. Not sure if it affects existing users though. Tvchannellists (talk) 10:15, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

I did a test account and, yes, all existing users must now verify their e-mail addresses. Tvchannellists (talk) 10:19, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

Confirmed email without any issues. Looks like it's working fine. Mynameisjeff (talk) 10:22, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for checking that it works. I've added a notice that appears when anyone tries to edit a page letting know that e-mail verification is now required. Hopefully, it doesn't result in a decrease in the number of legitimate contributors. Tvchannellists (talk) 10:30, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

No problem. Also, it can only be a good thing as contributors now have a way to reset their password if they forget it. But, we can always remove the email requirement if it goes wrong. Mynameisjeff (talk) 10:32, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

Yay Echo works now. Also maybe it's just placebo but I have a feeling that after you updated the PHP that the website is faster. Mynameisjeff (talk) 11:27, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I just managed to get it back up again. Also, check your e-mail. Tvchannellists (talk) 11:29, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

For those who are interested, you can now also opt to receive e-mail notifications for various events. You can change your notification settings here.

Davideyre

The user without any contribs, Davideyre, seems to keep making sockpuppets. I really don't know what to do with him. Mynameisjeff (talk) 09:57, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

I think this is his fourth account, so I'm fine with what you've suggested – a ban on the creation of fifth account. Tvchannellists (talk) 11:57, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

BTW Can you change the keys for recaptcha, like remove the site from the recaptcha dashboard, readd it and then replace the keys in mediawiki with the newly generated ones? I think you get what I'm trying to say, also when you do that, on the recaptcha dashboard click on advanced settings and turn the security (I think that's how it's called) level all the way to high. Mynameisjeff (talk) 12:05, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

@Mynameisjeff: Hi. Check your e-mail for response. Tvchannellists (talk) 12:23, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

User Account Clean-up

I've been going through and merging more accounts that are no longer required:

Accounts that haven't been logged into since before 2016
Blocked users who haven't returned in more than ~6 months
Users who signed up more than 30 days ago and have not contributed to the site
Multiple accounts from the same user
Users who only ever signed in once and/or only made one edit (accounts more than ~6 months old)

We're now down to 63 accounts. Tvchannellists (talk) 06:07, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Cloudflare

Please flush the cache. Mynameisjeff (talk) 15:20, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

All done. Tvchannellists (talk) 21:12, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. Mynameisjeff (talk) 21:13, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

WYSIWYG bug

The WYSIWYG editor is a bit broken, it can't load on the Focus Sat page for example. The browser is Waterfox 51.0.1, and the OS is Windows 7.

For me, the WYSIWYG editor on the Focus Sat page loaded after about half a minute. Every now and again the Parsoid server the WYSIWYG editor crashes and I have to SSL into the server to start it back up, but that doesn't seem to be the case here, so I'm not sure what I can do about it. Tvchannellists (talk) 00:43, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Maintenance

I know this will probably fry the server for a bit, but I think we should run the rebuildAll.php and refreshLinks.php scripts, as I've noticed some issues with the wanted files not going away for example even after the cloudflare cache is purged.

All done now. Tvchannellists (talk) 00:42, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Bot account

I'd like to be able to have an alternative account that would be flagged as a bot so that whenever I am doing mass minor changes, it doesn't clog up everyone's recent page changes feed. Hope I'm not asking too much. Mynameisjeff (talk) 22:24, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Sure. Let me know when you've made the account (and the user name) and I'll see what I can do. Tvchannellists (talk) 22:28, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Set up. Mynameisjeff ebooks (talk) 22:40, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

All done. Tvchannellists (talk) 22:50, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. The other admins should have bot accounts too honestly. Mynameisjeff (talk) 22:51, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Happy to set it up if they want one. Just let me know here. Tvchannellists (talk) 23:11, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

What exactly does having a bot acct do? Why not just have one central admin bot that all the admins use? Branch (talk) 01:32, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Usually, they're used for actual bots who do maintenance, etc. The reason Mynameisjeff wanted one is for when he makes many minor changes (e.g. his recent updating of several pages to reflect a change in the link to a file), changes made by a 'bot' account don't show up in the recent changes page and thus avoids filling the recent changes page up with inconsequential minor changes. I'm happy to just have one bot account for all admins if we get 3/5; I'll e-mail the password out for the shared account. Tvchannellists (talk) 01:41, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

I support (2/5) a "TVCL Bot" account-- that would also allow people to know it's a "legit" bot compared to "Mynameisjeff ebooks" (no offense, :) ). I think also having a central bot allows for less duplicates and confusion with accounts. Branch (talk) 01:45, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Sure, so we just need Mynameisjeff to come back and agree for it to pass. The other two admins are MIA at the moment. I've also been merging all the trolls' accounts to clean up the user list. Tvchannellists (talk) 01:49, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

That makes sense. Should L.I.M. be listed as part-time now? Also, is there a way to change what the email notifications look like? It's 3 paragraphs of junk about subscribing/unsubscribing and none about the actual message left. If Myname agrees, we can just delete the ebooks account and replace it with the general bot. Branch (talk) 01:51, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Sorry but I don't think that's really a good idea. If you look at various wikias and wikipedia, they also have separate bot accounts. Mynameisjeff (talk) 08:48, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Regarding LongIslandMedia, I'm not sure. He seemed quite active on the site until 10 February, but I haven't heard from him since. As for the e-mail notification, I found this page. The referenced page doesn't seem to exist in the wiki though. Maybe you need to copy and paste it from the example and then make the modifications. If that doesn't work, I'll put whatever changes you make into the php file it mentions. Tvchannellists (talk) 02:00, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Actually, I have been sick the last few days so I have only been lurking and there was nothing for me to update. Branch beat me on Verizon adding NBC Universo HD, and out Player troll seems to have managed not to post any new accounts. Maybe the IP range bans have finally blocked his ability to create new accounts, but we shall see on that. --Longislandmedia (talk) 03:29, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the update, Longislandmedia. I'll leave you listed as a full-time admin. I hope you're feeling better. Regarding the IP range bans, hopefully, the e-mail verification requirement should put a dent in the duplicate account registrations as well. Tvchannellists (talk) 03:43, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Get well soon! Mynameisjeff (talk) 08:51, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Alright-- if we have more than one bot account, can we at least have "official" names. Instead of Ebooks, could yours be something like "MyNameisJeff - Bot" or something? Branch (talk) 15:02, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

I lost my password to that account anyways, so mynameisjeff_bot can be created and merged with the ebooks one. -Mynameisjeff (talk) 15:04, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Let me know when you've made the 'mynameisjeff_bot' account and I'll merge it with the old account. Tvchannellists (talk) 00:44, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Automatic Unused Accounts Purge

To keep the user list tidy, I've now set the server to automatically purge accounts where an account has been created and has not been touched for 30 days from the date of creation. This automatic purge does not affect users that have made any contributions to the site (e.g. edits, uploads, new pages, etc.) Tvchannellists (talk) 08:23, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but what exactly do we gain from doing this? Also, on another note, have you ever considered to implement something like memcached to the site? Mynameisjeff (talk) 17:56, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

This only affects accounts that are created and never used even once. If you make even one contribution, this automatic script doesn't affect you. I assume some of these would potentially be spam accounts and not legitimate users. The purpose of this is to keep the user list manageable. If you look at the user ID number, you'll see that we are into the thousands (it started sequentially from 1), whilst there are only about a dozen or so actual contributors. That provides an indication of how many unused/spam accounts I've had to delete over time. There seems to be a continuous stream every month of new accounts that are never used. I'll look into memcached. Tvchannellists (talk) 21:32, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. Also, any chance of updating the PHP to 7.1.2 and moving to MariaDB? Also, what's the Nginx version? Mynameisjeff (talk) 21:41, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

PHP 7.0 is the highest option currently available in the site's cPanel control panel. I don't see an option to change what SQL server the site uses either. I'm not sure how to check the Nginx version. Regarding memcached, it seems like it's more hassle than it's worth. This page seems to suggest that it often crashes and needs restarting (something I already have to do with the Parsoid server for the VisualEditor) and Mediawiki's page on it says "Memcached is likely more trouble than a small site will need". It also states "Memcached has no security or authentication. Please ensure that your server is appropriately firewalled" and I don't have access to firewall settings on the server. Tvchannellists (talk) 23:04, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

I think it's just to have a better sense of how many active users, and so the user list isn't clogged up with unused accounts. An automated purge system/official policy on unused accounts (that were used in the first 30 days but then abandoned) would be good. Branch (talk) 19:33, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

I've been doing this manually (for accounts that have been used at least once) as some users disappear for months at a time and it's just a judgement call based on how much they've contributed and how long they've been inactive. I'd be fine for a policy regarding purging completely unused accounts after 30 days. Tvchannellists (talk) 21:32, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Security issue

https://blog.cloudflare.com/incident-report-on-memory-leak-caused-by-cloudflare-parser-bug/ Change your passwords ASAP. Mynameisjeff (talk) 17:32, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

It should be ok. Extract of e-mail received from CloudFlare: "In our review of these third party caches, we discovered data that had been exposed from approximately 150 of Cloudflare's customers across our Free, Pro, Business, and Enterprise plans. We have reached out to these customers directly to provide them with a copy of the data that was exposed, help them understand its impact, and help them mitigate that impact. Fortunately, your domain is not one of the domains where we have discovered exposed data in any third party caches." Tvchannellists (talk) 00:06, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

UPC should be only edited by Autoconfirmed users and Admins.

Could you protect UPC romania please? It should be only edited by autoconfirmed users and admins. Im a autoconfirmed user on Tvchannellists. Alexandra (talk) 10:22, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

all edits require being a user now. Branch (talk) 12:21, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

There is absolutely zero valid reason to protect the page from new users, in fact it's one of the less vandalized (if vandalized at all) pages on this website, so this request has been denied. Mynameisjeff (talk) 12:26, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

"Autoconfirmed is a user group that... are more than 4 days old and have made at least 10 changes". There are very few, if any, pages that need that protection as anyone could wait four days and make 10 edits. Therefore, I second the denial of this request, unless the requester provides evidence on why this protection would help, which they did not do. Branch (talk) 16:21, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

Agreed – it's only necessary on pages with persistent vandalism. The recent tightening on the ability to edit (i.e. account creation + e-mail verification) further diminish the need for protection of pages. Tvchannellists (talk) 22:01, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

With 3/5 admins in agreement, the request for protection on UPC Romania has been officially declined. Branch (talk) 01:23, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

It's enough for even 1 admin to decline for it to be considered "official" when it comes to invalid requests like this. If the requester actually has a (valid) reason as to why they think the page should be protected, sure, there should definitely be a discussion, but with situation like this in my opinion even 1 admin is enough to decline. Mynameisjeff (talk) 06:27, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

UK listings

Do they still lag for you ? I think I cleaned them up pretty hard now. Mynameisjeff (talk) 16:19, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

Edit count

Could you show me the edit count please? Alexandra (talk) 19:41, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

You can see them here: https://www.tvchannellists.com/Special:Preferences Mynameisjeff (talk) 19:43, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

Twinkle

Can we possibly add Twinkle to this site? Mynameisjeff (talk) 06:42, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

I tried, but in the Üser on other wikis" section of Twinkle's user's guide page, it says "most modules have been designed only with English Wikipedia in mind. For instance, the CSD module relies on templates which most likely do not exist on other wikis." Tvchannellists (talk) 10:30, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

URGENT: Admins, Please Read

UPDATE: Mynameisjeff fixed the spam, but my proposals at the bottom still stand.

România and Brânch and MyNameîsJeff (not the admins, they were imposters), vandalized and moved about 10 different pages, including this one and my talk page. I blocked them before they could to too much more, but I need help reverting it as I'm not going to be around later today. Appears that I blocked the first one, then the second one was made to try to impersonate me by stealing my talk page. Look at Recent page changes for the moves. I restored my talk page and this, but that's it. Can other admins delete the new pages made and fix the old ones? Thanks!

all were made by our favorite, CataGamerTVCL Branch (talk) 16:42, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

These imposter account names could be of great use for our alternative accounts (use such as on public wifis, public computers etc. where access to an admin account is really risky), what a waste :D

I'll get on it now.

Also, to me this seems more of a case of meat puppetry rather then a single person. Mynameisjeff (talk) 16:48, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

I just emailed you regarding this. Branch (talk) 16:50, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

I switched emails, the webmaster could email you my new email. Mynameisjeff (talk) 16:53, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

Ah, ok. it wasn't important, just regarding how I knew who it was. The spam is getting redicious. I would like to propose a temp. suspension on new account creation while we determine a better vetting system as clearly what we're doing now isn't working. even the verified emails didn't help. Branch (talk) 16:56, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

I have an idea on how to stop Paul Akinbola, but I'm going to have to email you guys that. Mynameisjeff (talk) 16:58, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

I removed some of your previous text (and deleted the revision) to protect the confidentiality of how we find the scammers. Please do email us. My email was the @me.com one from the earlier email thread. We really need a private admin-only talk page. Branch (talk) 17:01, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

In addition to the temp. halt on new accounts, I also propose a sitewide policy that ONLY admins can move and rename pages to prevent this in the future. Branch (talk) 17:07, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

All removed, but I really think it's best to just revert/block/ignore in these situations and mass email admins. Mynameisjeff (talk) 17:30, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

Pages are legitimentally moved and deleted so rarely, so making it admin only won't be an issue, it will only prevent spam. Branch (talk) 17:32, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

No, I meant not posting on this talk page about troll accounts at all, instead we should just block, clean up and ignore then mass email other admins about the situation. I agree with locking moves for admins. -MNIJ

ok so admin move and delete lock has 2/5 support. Can one more support this so we can implant asap? Regarding posting here, I didn't mean we can't post at all, but we shouldn't post our methods of discovering scammers here, otherwise they'll circumvent them. Branch (talk) 17:39, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

:D I do think we should give them less attention as possible by not posting about them here, though. -MNIJ

So that's why I'd like a private, admin only page. Easier to keep track of long threads than Email. Branch (talk) 17:43, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

I have an idea: I create a discord server, then the webmaster sends you the invite by email. Mynameisjeff (talk) 17:55, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

Why not just slack or something like that then? I use slack for another site and it's quite good. Branch (talk) 18:05, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

First time I heard of this, the site design is very similar to Discord's. I guess we can use that. Mynameisjeff (talk) 18:08, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

I'm voting in favour of the page move restriction proposal. 3/5 – the motion is carried and has been implemented. Users now wishing to move a page, please let an admin know on this page. Tvchannellists (talk) 23:57, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

Regarding the right to delete pages, by default, that is already assigned to admins only. Tvchannellists (talk) 00:00, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Inactive Account Deletion

Proposal for Official Inactive Account Deletion Policy:

Accounts will be deleted if any of the following are true:

Account was not used for 30 days since day of creation
Account that does not have a verified email address in 30 days from day of creation

Existing Users (Users created before Feb 28) have until April 1 to do so

Account has not made any contributions for 6 months

Having a good-standing account (no block/ban at time of deletion) deleted due to inactivity is not grounds for a new block for multiple accounts if a new account is made. Contact the admins if you'd like your old username back.

The email part is just to let older users have an extra few week/days to verify their emails, but starting April 1, I think all non-verified accounts should be deleted after 30 days. Does that look good to the other admins?

Branch (talk) 16:53, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi Branch. The first two are ok with me. However, the purge script doesn't take into consideration whether you've logged in – only if you've contributed. So in that sense, if criterion 2 occurs, criterion 1 will always occur also, given you can't make any contributions without verifying your e-mail. Regarding e-mail validation, there are many accounts that have several months of inactivity before the user returns, so I'm inclined to let e-mail verification slide for a bit longer. Similarly, for the 6-month inactivity deletion, when I went through all the accounts manually, there were accounts with more than 6 months of inactivity before the user returned, so I'm inclined to have that a bit longer also. Users also might be able to just re-create using their old username without admin intervention; I'm not sure if MediaWiki blocks re-creation of an account name that's been deleted previously. Tvchannellists (talk) 00:23, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

Just to note, seeing as a couple of users already started socking: If you're a banned member and your account was merged, you are not allowed to create the account with the same username (or any account again for that matter). If you are not a blocked user, you can create another account (with or without the same name) without any issues. Mynameisjeff (talk) 15:51, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

IMO The auto purge is unneeded in its own and only harms the community. Sure, there are unused accounts (and possibly spam accounts like all the recent accounts from the middle east and africa), but by merging them all into "Merged Users" is just creating a giant pile of mess as it's still a good idea to know who made the contribution (like what has been done to a large number of accounts recently), also not to mention that merging accounts (like what happened to SupermarioPlayer's account) with a blocked account will in cases unblock the account and we wouldn't get notified of that, and that's not something we want. Also, I know some people here who have made an account recently but don't have the chance to contribute yet due to a lack of time, and we don't want potential users to get affected by this, and there is always a chance (slim, but still a chance) that inactive users will make a contribution sooner or later. I get that it might keep the userlist tidy but I think it's just a false sense, it creates even more of a mess, especially when we purge accounts that for example were active sometime and then dropped off the radar, not to mention the unblock problem. I do agree to purge new accounts that haven't verified their email in 30 days though. Mynameisjeff (talk) 04:54, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

How about this less stringent proposal?

Deletion for:

* Any account that does not verify e-mail within 30 days of creation

* Any account with a verified e-mail address, but no contributions for 6 months since creation

* Any account that's ever made any contribution won't be deleted/merged

* Any account that's been blocked won't be deleted/merged to prevent the blocked user from making a new account under the same user name

Fine by me! Mynameisjeff (talk) 05:56, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Works for me, too. --Longislandmedia (talk) 22:47, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

How about the same as the above but you have a year with no contributions you're deleted. if you're gone for a year it's clear you don't really care about the site and it's not that hard to make a new account if you want to come back. Branch (talk) 02:38, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

I think it would still be a good idea to see who made the contribution instead of it saying "Merged users", though, that's my primary problem. Mynameisjeff (talk) 06:48, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

I don't understand what you mean-- instead of what saying merged users? Branch (talk) 18:08, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

https://www.tvchannellists.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Tvchannellists&action=history Imagine "Merged users" is instead of "mynameisjeff". See what I mean? Mynameisjeff (talk) 18:12, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Is there a way of having it say for example "Branch (Inactive) or "Branch (Deleted)" or something like that to mitigate that problem? Branch (talk) 20:41, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

No. :( Mynameisjeff (talk) 20:42, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

As an interim measure, until a consensus is reached, the first point of the proposal is in effect (deleting new accounts after 30 days of no verification/contributions), since there was agreement on that particular point. Tvchannellists (talk) 23:15, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

@TVCL, can you confirm no extension exists that allows for my idea above ("Branch (Deleted)")? Branch (talk) 16:22, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

The only extension I could find was one that would set the account as 'inactive', making the user unable to log in, but it would still leave the account on the users list, so there's not much point to it. Tvchannellists (talk) 01:38, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Not trying to sound rude, but we should really focus more on standardizing the listings to be in 1 format (I vote for the UK/Dutch/Romanian/Serbian format) and fixing them (like I did with the UK pages yesterday) rather then purging inactive accounts. Mynameisjeff (talk) 06:28, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Regarding this, here's a modified compromise proposal:

Deletion for:

* Any account that does not verify e-mail within 30 days of creation

* Any account with a verified e-mail address, but no contributions for 30 days since creation

* Any account that's ever made any contribution won't be deleted/merged if site policies aren't violated.

* Any account that's been blocked won't be deleted/merged to prevent the blocked user from making a new account under the same user name

There's #2 from my proposal, but #3 from MNIJ. Support? Branch (talk) 17:23, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

Fine by me, but I think maybe upping #2 to 60 days is better. Mynameisjeff (talk) 17:26, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

I disagree as I think anyone who wants to use their account will use it in a month. Otherwise they can recreate later. If another admin supports, we can get it passed. Branch (talk) 17:30, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

I'm happy for either 30 or 60 days. Are you two willing to accept 45 days as a compromise? Tvchannellists (talk) 00:06, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Two-factor authentication introduced

For extra account security, TV Channel Lists has introduced optional two-factor authentication. Two-factor authentication requires that, in addition to entering your password, you enter a one-time use token from your mobile device, making it significantly more difficult for your account to be compromised. To enable two-factor authentication, visit your Preferences page. You should also clear your security tokens here after enabling two-factor authentication. Tvchannellists (talk) 09:50, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Just to note, you should type in your 2FA code in the format of "XXXXXX", NOT "XXX XXX", regardless of what Authy or other authentication services say. -MNIJ (talk) 09:48, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Merge My Account

Hello, im quitting TVChannelLists forever. Could you merge my account please? Alexandra (talk) 05:43, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi Maria-Alexandra. Thanks for letting us know. We no longer merge accounts for users who haver made any contributions to the site. You can simply just leave. Thank you your for your contributions during your stay here. Tvchannellists (talk) 09:19, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

VisualEditor Disabled

VisualEditor has been having significant issues, locking up and taking the whole website down with it. As such, until we can resolve the issues, it has been disabled. We apologise for any inconvenience. Tvchannellists (talk) 10:07, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

Note from a second admin here: In reality, VE probably won't be re-enabled. The site runs much faster without it, and seeing as VE barely worked on most pages and when it worked it was screwing up the formatting, it's not worth it. In any case, for a wiki like this with tons of tables and images, the source editor is the only solution. And we're not the only ones that are having problems with VE; it's just the software itself. -MNIJ (talk) 09:12, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

And a clarification from a third admin-- VE will not be re-enabled UNTIL it becomes more stable. Whether that happens next week, next year, or next decade, we don't know. Once it can stay stable and not take down the website, it will return. If you are or you know someone with experience with VE and resolving its problems, let us know. Branch (talk) 01:24, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Canadian stations/markets list

Per the query and posting I was in on a few days ago, I have started a Canadian page like the American (really, that one should be "U.S." but I'm not nitpicking) one, at List of Canadian over-the-air television stations (for whoever does the main page stuff); and I am working on the first 2 markets now, so they won't be red for long! Easttxtv (talk) 23:37, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi! As soon as one market is added (ie there is content on the page) I'll add it to the main page. also, regarding the name of the OTA page, the standard, for whatever reason, has been demonym, instead of country name. I've updated our guidelines page to reflect this. Branch (talk) 00:19, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Winnipeg, MB has been added. Easttxtv (talk) 01:23, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Added Canadian to main page. thanks Branch (talk) 01:34, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Admin team changes

Hello TV Channel Lists contributors. With the implementation of the account approval system, the incidences of vandalism have essentially dropped to zero. Alongside this, the removal of VisualEditor removed the main cause of the site going down. These two factors combined have significantly reduced the need for administrative oversight on the site and in light of this, along with admins' time constraints, two of the admins (Mynameisjeff and Scythechariot) have decided to resign from being admins. Both Mynameisjeff and Scythechariot have noted that they will contribute to the site as regular users. Thank you again to all of TVCL's contributors and for sticking with us whilst we brought the spam and vandalism under control. Tvchannellists (talk) 10:34, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

No problem bud. I'll try working on getting more users to the site in the near future. Also, Happy Easter. -MNIJ (talk) 10:40, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

Unprotect User Page

Can you unprotect mine and Scy's userpage, please? -MNIJ (talk) 11:28, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

Done. Branch (talk) 12:29, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

"Inappropriate usernames, or usernames designed to impersonate existing users, as determined by the site admins"

I don't see the need for this seeing as usernames designed to impersonate existing users are also inappropriate. Also, I think "rollback" sounds better than "moderator" seeing as "moderators" only have rollback so it is misleading. -MNIJ (talk) 13:04, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi! I just added that for clarification, to make sure there was no confusion that usernames like those will be rejected. Branch (talk) 23:53, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

Move of new channel listings

Hi Easttxtv. Thanks for your contributions to the site. We don't normally list new or updated channel listings on the TVCL talk page, as such, we've moved the entry to your talk page. Feel free to continue to post the new and revised channel listings there. Thank you again on behalf of the admin team for all your hard work – it's much appreciated. Tvchannellists (talk) 02:42, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Merge Me

I have been sick of TVCL. Could you merge my user please? Thanks. Alexandra (talk) 13:39, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi Maria-Alexandra. If you are 'sick of' the site, all you need to do is stop visiting the site. Merging your account won't do achieve anything additional to you simply leaving. Tvchannellists (talk) 00:10, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

TVCL in YOUR Language!

We're proud to enable the Google Translate widget on our site, which enables viewers from across the globe to view our site in their native language. To get started, simply click the Select Language button in our sidebar, and pick your language. Google will take care of the rest. We hope this is the first step in implanting a translation service that will translate the page automatically to a user's native language without any clicks needed. For now though, enjoy! Branch (talk) 01:29, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Moldova

Admin note: This discussion topic has been moved to this page from the Main Page talk page.

Hi admins, could you add Moldova to the main page? So far, I've made these lists:

Analog Cable

Digital Cable

IPTV

Online

Magic TV Box

Master lists

Master list of digital television channels

— Afelix (talk) 07:11, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for adding those lists, Afelix. I will add them to the main page shortly. In future, please use the Contact the Admins page which is actively monitored so that your requests aren't missed. Thanks again. Tvchannellists (talk) 00:56, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

I will. Thanks. I wasn't really sure whether I should ask here or on the other page. Afelix (talk) 01:00, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

No problem. I've added the Moldovan entries now. Tvchannellists (talk) 01:04, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Database Crash

The TVCL database recently suffered from a crash. I've run the repair process and all seems OK again. If you notice any issues with the site, please let us know here or via e-mail if the site is down at admin@tvchannellists.com Tvchannellists (talk) 13:07, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

New channel lineup, question, and idea

Hello. This past weekend, I created the lineup List of SCRTC channels in Allen County, Kentucky. However, I would like to change the name to "List of SCRTC channels in Allen and Monroe counties in Kentucky" as the lineup covers more than one single county. Can you all do that? I couldn't find a button on my end. Also, I was wondering if, under the cable section in United States, that lineups be put under states. I plan on going county-by-county in Kentucky, and though it would be nice to go to a page that had a wikitable containing counties and what channel lineups are located in those counties. I hope this information helps. God bless! Matthewshill (talk) 21:13, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi Matthew. Thank you for your message. I have renamed the page you mentioned. Regarding the change to the front page, I'm not in the United States, so perhaps one of our American admins can provide feedback on whether they think that will work. Tvchannellists (talk) 09:35, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Since the other admins haven't responded, what do you think about adding an entry on the front page for state-based listings? As I'm assuming some of the other providers have the same channel numbering nationwide and thus don't need to fall under state listings.

For example, we can have something like:

State-based providers:

CA | NY | KY | MN | WV, etc.

Tvchannellists (talk) 09:14, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

I would recommend leaving the national cable providers on the main page and a link for regional cable providers like SCRTC, which can then be broken-up into states or companies. I'm doing similar with Charter Spectrum. --Washuotaku (talk) 12:50, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

sorry I haven’t been in lately. I too think under the cable subheader a regional providers link would be good. Branch (talk) 00:33, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi all. This has been implemented now. Tvchannellists (talk) 02:02, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello, I went ahead creating the Regional Providers page by incorporating Adams Cable, Atlantic Broadband, Blue Ridge and Vyve. The companies relocated to the new page can be removed from the front page and their link list pages redirected at the Admin's desecration. I hope this is what @Matthewshill: had in mind as well, which we can both modify further. --Washuotaku (talk) 04:30, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for creating that, @Washuotaku:. It's looking good. Tvchannellists (talk) 04:52, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Deletion of old Sky files

Sky did a redesign of their entertainment channels on 9 October 2017 and I added the logos. Can I ask if one removes the old versions? POWERStarz2004 (talk) 23:01, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for updating the logos, POWERStarz2004. If there aren't any pages using the old logos, I'm fine with their deletion if that's what you want to do. Tvchannellists (talk) 09:11, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Yep, I'm asking for my Scot/Wales/NI/Ireland extra pages to be deleted just so I can stick to one as well. The "Sky 1" and "Sky 2" files can be deleted because they were renamed to be word instead of numeric POWERStarz2004 (talk) 23:24, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Also, this page: User:POWERStarz2004/England deleted too, I'll merge it into the main page POWERStarz2004 (talk) 23:26, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Extra pages deleted:

POWERStarz2004 (talk) 23:46, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi POWERStarz2004. I've deleted those pages for you. Tvchannellists (talk) 23:54, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Changing a wiki page

Hello there. In this wiki, there is a lineup named List of Take channels in the Israeli List. However, I would like to change the name to "List of Partner TV channels" because of two reasons: First, Partner's lineup is more expansive than Take's. Second, Partner is mor known in the country than Take. As an admin, can you all do that? I couldn't find the Edit button on my end. Thanks in advance, Daniel a.k.a User:DaPersonB97 (talk) 16:05, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi DaPersonB97. Sure. I've done this for you now. Tvchannellists (talk) 22:20, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Keep up the good work that you're doing for this sacred wiki. Daniel a.k.a User:DaPersonB97 (talk) 16:41, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Add Spectrum to Main Page

Hello, I am requesting that Spectrum be added under United States --> Cable on the Main Page. I have created a new page for Spectrum in my Sandbox, which will eventually also replace Bright House Networks and Time Warner Cable once there channel lists have been fully updated/integrated. Thank you! --Washuotaku (talk) 13:03, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi Washuotaku. Thanks for your message and your contributions. I'll be happy to add Spectrum to the front page for you. Let me know once you've created the actual page (as opposed to the Sandbox page) and I will add it to the front page then. Tvchannellists (talk) 23:46, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello! Please link List of Spectrum channels and remove Bright House Networks and Time Warner Cable on the main page at your convenience. Please also take off Adams Cable, Atlantic Broadband, Blue Ridge and Vyve as they are now rolling into Regional Providers Thanks again! --Washuotaku (talk) 04:02, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi Washuotaku. Thanks. This is all done now. Tvchannellists (talk) 13:11, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Admin change

ScytheChariot has resigned from his admin position due to insufficient time. He has nominated Kalman2007 to take his place and this change has now taken effect. Welcome, Kalman2007, to the admin team. Tvchannellists (talk) 00:19, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Welcome! Branch (talk) 00:34, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Joyne

Hello, I have added the channel list for Joyne: List of channels on Joyne. Could this be added to the main page? It is a satellite provider in the Netherlands. C0re1980 (talk)

Thanks, C0re1980. This has been done now. Tvchannellists (talk) 07:20, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

Bengal Digital

Hello. I would like to request a page for the Bangladeshi TV provider Bengal Digital. Thank you.

Hi RandomMe98. You should be able to create the page yourself. Once it's created, I can then link to it on the front page for you. Tvchannellists (talk) 07:21, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

Hello again. Sorry for the delay. Here's the page: List of channels on Bengal Digital A reminder that more channels will be added in the coming days. Thank you.

No problem. This has been done now. Tvchannellists (talk) 03:29, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Update to Optimum

Hello again, I have another request to change the link for Optimum to List of Optimum channels (under United States --> Cable). I have incorporated the one channel line-up into the new main page for Optimum and listed its other systems in the three states it serves. Thank you. --Washuotaku (talk) 18:23, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi. Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. Doesn't the link for "Optimum" on the front page already go to List of Optimum channels? Tvchannellists (talk) 13:29, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

Yes, you already updated the page same day I posted this request. Thank you! --Washuotaku (talk) 05:01, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

Comcast (Xfinity) and LHTC

I'd like to request a link be added on the main page under United States cable for Xfinity by Comcast and a link under United States IPTV for LHTC Broadband. Thanks.

JK77 (talk) 02:27, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi, JK77. Thanks for your message. Sure, I can create this link for you, but you need to create the pages and listings first before I am able to link to them. Let me know when you have and I'll be happy to make the link for you. Tvchannellists (talk) 13:31, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

I created the Xfinity page at https://www.tvchannellists.com/List_of_Xfinity_channels, and the two that should be listed under US IPTV: LHTC - https://www.tvchannellists.com/List_of_LHTC_Broadband_channels and Citizens Fiber - https://www.tvchannellists.com/List_of_Citizens_Fiber_channels. The last two are small, regional operators in Pennsylvania. --JK77 (talk) 15:22, 23 November 2017 (UTC)JK77

Hi JK77. Apologies for the delay in getting back to you. This has been done now. Thanks again for your contributions. Tvchannellists (talk) 13:01, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

Inactive and Messages

Hey,

I will be inactive on Tvchannellists and on the internet. All websites will be 16+, like Moviestarplanet, Roblox, etc. And im really too young.

So, in new year could you merge my account please? I will no longer go on this website.

Thanks,

♡Alexandra Loves You♡2017-2018♡ (talk) 18:08, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

User:Maria-Alexandra make wrong edits

I have a problem on romanian aria where User:Maria-Alexandra change the subjects in wrong way. Someone can ban him?

Hi Queron. I've updated the block applied by Kalman to permanent as he himself also said he wanted to be removed from the site. Tvchannellists (talk) 01:26, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Apologies

I'm really sorry lately I haven't been active here. Life caught up with me, so I had to take a step back. But I'm recommitted to this site, and am working now to update the FiOS listings, which haven't been updated in a few months. I probably won't be as active as I was when I first joined, but I'll definitely be on here more often then the past few months. Branch (talk) 21:42, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Branch. No problem. Thanks for the update and welcome back! Tvchannellists (talk) 02:44, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Disclaimers & Policy Updates

The Disclaimer & Policy Page has been updated, with new guidelines on inactive pages, and other minor changes to policies. By continuing to browse this site, you agree to the current iteration of all policies and disclaimers listed on that page. Thank you. Branch (talk) 03:32, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Comments in Local Time

Hi all. I upgraded Comments in Local Time Gadget to a new version, that works WAY better, and is way more user-friendly. It's pretty nice. Branch (talk) 02:44, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

PageDiff

I installed the PageDiff extension, so you can see what someone changed in your email notification without clicking in to the site. Useful to see if it's something you need to respond/act on or can ignore. Branch (talk) 01:54, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for that, Branch. Tvchannellists (talk) 03:48, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

ITV Encore

When ITV Encore closes, delete the logo from the site as it's no longer in use. POWERStarz2004 (talk) 19:38, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

@Tvchannellists: how do we usually handle this? Branch (talk) 23:30, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

@Branch: I'm not sure that we have a set policy on this. I assume in the past the logos were just left on the site, but I don't have an issue with deleting them if the channel's been closed. Tvchannellists (talk) 11:40, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

@Tvchannellists: Thanks for the info. POWERStarz2004 (talk) 15:01, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Apple Touch Logo

Hi! Could you place 180x180 Favicon PNG in the root document folder called apple-touch-icon.png so our site shows up nice and pretty on iOS? Thanks! Branch (talk) 01:11, 12 May 2018 (UTC) Also, something appears to be broken with the Echo Notifications. I have one, but I can't clear it... Branch (talk) 21:51, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi @Branch:. I've placed the iOS favicon into root folder. Not sure what's going on with Echo. I'll run the maintenance scripts now and see if that helps. Tvchannellists (talk) 11:59, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

Looks nice! Echo still doesn't work... oh well! Branch (talk) 22:45, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

Suddenlink => Altice USA

I was going to add some Suddenlink info/listings but didn't realize there had been an acquisition. I saw the Optimum section but I didn't want to put any Suddenlink info there since none of their systems were part of Cablevision before. Should I add the info now or wait till the section is updated with the Altice info/logo? Easttxtv (talk) 05:46, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for adding more information to the site, Easttxtv. Since @Branch: and @Longislandmedia: are in the US, they're probably more qualified to decide than me, so I'll let one of them respond to this. Hopefully, one of them will be along soon. Tvchannellists (talk) 07:20, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi @tvchannellists: and @Easttxtv:! I've heard about the mergers... tomorrow I will read up about them to make sure I update the site with accurate info, and then will do so as needed. I'll ping this thread when I do. Thanks so much as always! Branch (talk) 02:54, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi @tvchannellists: and @Easttxtv:! it appears that for now Altice is keeping the suddenlink and optimum names, albeit under the Altice banner, with plans to eventually rename them both to Altice. Based on this, check out what I did on the homepage, and let me know if it's ok. As for new lineup names, continue to follow the format outlined in the guidelines, using the names Suddenlink and Optimum. When the transition fully occurs, I'll take care of changing them to Altice. Thanks! Branch (talk) 00:15, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

I have updated the Suddenlink section with logo, paraphased history from Wikipedia, listed all the states/systems (more than I thought they had!), and have started it off with 3 channel lists so far. I guess it's all right so far. Easttxtv (talk) 13:45, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for your contributions, Easttxtv. It's much appreciated. Tvchannellists (talk) 15:21, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

Where to go from here ?

Messrs Branch and Longislandmedia -

Here are copies of a conversation I have been having with tvchannellists. I will drop a copy of a sample Excel in the 'drop files here'; hopefully that will attach it. Wrong again - looks like I can only attach png and jpeg files. Boy, is that handy!

Hi Gary,

Yes, I would think that the initial input of the data would take a considerable amount of time; however, subsequent weekly changes would take considerable less time given I assume that only a small of changes occur each week.

There are two American-based admins on the site, Longislandmedia and Branch, who may be able/willing to assist. I would advise that you write a message on this page to see if they're able to help: https://www.tvchannellists.com/User_talk:Tvchannellists

Thanks again.

On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 at 13:43, Gary Toma <gary@toma.net> wrote:

   The attached Excel will give you a sense of the Weekly data I produce, in this sample, for Directv Domestic.

   My problem is that I cannot imagine the time it would require for me to update your current formats using the rather simple editor that I used just to make a couple simple updates in the Directv Cinema HD and SD channel numbers.  This appears to be a prohibitively labor intensive process both initially and on a weekly update basis.  Is that true ??

   If you have trusted staff members who might be allowed to automate this process, I would be happy to provide them weekly updates.  Are there any other alternatives ?

From User gct

hi! There are many excel to wiki table converters on the web. Once that’s done, you can copy and paste the wiki table onto our editor. it should be easy to maintain on a weekly basis. Let me know if you have any questions. Branch (talk) 19:25, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

I await your verdict

Thanks for the direction, Branch.

I sincerely hope I have not caused any heart attacks.

Because it is relatively small, I used SKY_Mexico as my first trial. You'll see that I have uploaded a SKY_HD page, a SKY_SD page and a SKY_Audio page, each title includes an update date, so they are obvious.

I will intrude no further until I get a vote of confidence back from you Admins.

You are so far out of date that much has changed for SKY_Mexico. The IS21, predominantly SD satellite has gone away. All channels are now on the new SKY_M1 satellite. There is no longer a duplication of SD and HD channels i.e. there are SD channels, but when an SD channel upgrades to HD, the SD channel is deleted. Without all the duplication, the number of channels is greatly reduced.

You now have 24 pages of SKY_Mexico information. I have updated only three. May of those 24 pages reflect information from the now defunct IS21 Network. These need to be deleted.

Many of your 24 pages are groupings of the channels by interest or 'package'. I do not propose to maintain these files. They are all sub-groupings of the master data in the HD or SD pages. The groupings by 'package' are changed regularly by the marketing/sales folks. Keeping up with those changes is a maddening task and provides little value for us.

I await your response. If my Login ID is removed, I will take that as a response.... :)

gct

Hi! First, know we rarely if ever delete user accounts for edits made in good faith-- and we have tons of backups just in case. AFAIK we don't have any admins who work heavily on the Mexico lineups, which is probably why they're so out of date. It's kind of confusing since there's SKY, SKY HD, DirecTV SKY and DirecTV Mexico lineups. Put this tag {{Deletion Move}} where you want me to look. it will show as it does below this message. Thanks so much-- the tables you added look great! (also @Tvchannellists:, I made that tag just now, feel free to edit any part of it) Branch (talk) 22:49, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for making that template, Branch. I think it looks good. Tvchannellists (talk) 09:56, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

SKY_Mexico Cleanup

For SKY_Mexico, many pages have been marked as Deletion Requested. These pages are all out-of-date sub-sets of the data. SKY_Mexico is the only operational entity name; it is owned (over 51%) by Directv but 'Directv' is no longer used as part of the name.

In the Mexico category: For the SKY-HD grouping, that entire topic (?) and all associated pages should be deleted. For the Directv-Mexico grouping, that entire topic and all associated pages should be deleted.

~~gct~~

Latin America

El Branch:

Please create a grouping/category (it surely has a name) for me under the Latin America entry. I assume you need to build that high level category and then I can add subordinate pages within the category. That high level name should be:

Satellite

DLA - DIRECTV Latin America

Thank You. Again.

gct

No problem. Basically, a "Page" is anything on one URL. "Section" is anything under a header in the page. So on the Sky TV page, there are headers for SD Channels, HD Channels, and Music Channels. You can also reply to this topic by editing this page and typing directly below this message, starting your message with one more colon that I started mine with (as a colon is an indent). Here is the page for DTV Latin America List of channels on DirecTV (Latin_America) (I'll add it to our homepage soon). Also, feel free to add colors to the listings. (totally optional). We don't have a set pattern, some listings use colors to denote packages, some to denote type of channel (news, entertainment, etc). Also, what should I do with VETV por Sky? Thanks so much!! Branch (talk) 00:19, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Colors Don't Work

Branch, I initially tried using our standard built-in colors, but when I paste them in, those columns (or cells) display as deep, almost black, cells, with nothing else visible. I'm using a converter (detailed in the posts themselves) that is implemented as an Excel macro. If there is a way to color cells, not whole rows, that would be great.

gct

Need to Find a Fix

I need to go off and find a fix that allows me to carry forward the shaded cells in Excel. Much information is provided by different fonts, font sizes, italic fonts and color shaded cells -- unfortunately these characteristics seem to be ignored when loaded into your editor.

Progress of Sorts

Please take a look at the Direct Latin America Page (DLA) and the SKY_Mexico Page. These presentations now use fewer sections because the data is defined more clearly now using color - just as the all the source documentation does. Maintaining this data and keeping it accurate just became reasonable - in other words, instead of the labor-intensive, error-intensive process of updating this data, I can poke in a complete and accurate update all at once.

ALSO - I do not yet have a good answer for you regarding VeTV in Mexico. I -think- it is a marketing spin-off of SKY_Mexico, not a real competitor. However, I have asked our colleague in Mexico to educate me...

~~gct~~

DirecTV USA Listings

@Gct: Thanks for the updates to the DirecTV USA page. I'll let the other admins (@Branch: and @Longislandmedia:) add their inputs as well, but I think that the previous formatting for the DirecTV page was more user-friendly. The genre-based colouring, links to the Wikipedia pages and package details were useful information that is now lost.

There's probably also a bit too much data on the page. For example, I would think that for subscribers, columns such as 'network' and 'display' would not be of much use. Locals should probably be on a separate page to prevent the main DirecTV page from being unnecessarily long and having a long loading time. Tvchannellists (talk) 09:55, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

The old version of the list was based on the old Wikipedia listing which is why it worked on some levels. This list probably is more technical than even what's included in the Lyngsat charts. Also, the new chart has removed the channels that are not 24-7 stations like the regional sports network overflow channels and seasonal out-of-market subscription sports packages. The chart omits the channel numbers for MSG Western New York, MSG 2, MSG Plus 2, MASN 2, Fox Sports Tennessee, Fox Sports Carolinas, NBC Sports Chicago Plus, NFL Sunday Ticket, MLB Extra Innings, and other such channels. Also, there is now Fox Sports Cincinnati, the channel is actually the Fox Sports Ohio feed for the Cincinnati area. The channels have been a split of the same network due to team territory blackouts going back to when they were under the SportsChannel name.

I also would prefer the channels kept sequentially with HD and SD noted separately where the same channel is carried in both formats. The list of local channels is a good addition but probably should be a separate listing due to it making the file extremely huge. Again, I would suggest listing by channel number with SD and HD notices as one list for each market. Channels which are only being delivered in significantly viewed areas should have an SV notification. For example, in the Hartford market, most subscribers do not get the NYC, Providence, or Boston channels that are available in certain areas as part of the Hartford local lineup. Since these charts are aimed more at people looking at the providers as subscribers, the information should be easy for them to understand. The satellite information has some value because most dishes installed now mainly are to aim at 99, 101, and 103 with 119 using only being installed for those who want Spanish programming or live in markets with locals on 119, and then 95 is only aimed at international customers. --Longislandmedia (talk) 21:06, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Your Direction

Thank you for the response. I still have perhaps half of the Directv-USA Local-into-Local section yet to upload, but I will stop right where we are. Please let me know what direction you and your admins decide upon.

I trust that you know your viewership. If you think the previous formatting with genre-based colors and masses of links to Wikipedia best serves your users, you clearly need to roll back to that presentation. The package details can be scrubbed from the Directv website and updated. Perhaps you can use my input as a source for your manual updating and ongoing maintenance.

For Directv Domestic, as you suggested, viewers not finding value in the Network or Display columns will also not need the Satellite column.

For SKY_Mexico, you will need to delete the Network, TPN, Satellite and Display columns. Or perhaps rolling back to your previous presentation will be preferable.

For Directv Latin America (DLA) you have a dilemma. Your readers need a comprehension of Network and Display to be able to determine what channels are provided to Ecuador, for example.

I much respect the time and effort invested in your previous presentations; they obviously fulfill your viewer’s expectations.

~~gct~~

Hi @GCT: Given Longislandmedia's comments, for the time being, I have reverted the US DirecTV page to its previous formatting. I think your suggestion of using your data as a basis for providing updates to the page is a good one. As I don't edit the DirecTV page myself, I'll let the other admins further discuss the details of how that can work. What was missing from our previous data, however, were the local channels. I would suggest that these should go into a separate page with just the local listings to prevent the main page from being excessively long. Tvchannellists (talk) 22:57, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi again Gct. I've moved your local channel information for DirecTV to its own page here: List of local channels on DirecTV

If the other admins are happy with this, please add links to this new page on the homepage and the main DirecTV page. Thanks. Tvchannellists (talk) 23:14, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

cool with me, though I think it would be cleaner to just have it linked from the existing DTV page. Branch (talk) 14:09, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Sure. That's fine with me also. Tvchannellists (talk) 08:15, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

About VeTV

Here is the response from our colleague in Mexico regarding VeTV:

Is part of SkyMx, http://www.vetv.com.mx

Is a Low end service, No HD o Too little, is for families who can’t afford Sky.

What I Know is that they use the same Sat, but the channels are limited.

Is owned by Sky or Televisa for sure.

Same programming but less channels, I see it as the pre-pay version of the north, without being pre-pay

Enviado desde mi iPad

El 25 jun 2018, a la(s) 15:05

~~GCT~~

Can't pick up notices/alerts

I just got a notice a little bit ago, plus 2 alerts a while back. When I try to get there to look at them, no message comes up. Did I forget or miss something? Easttxtv (talk) 21:16, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

No, it's just Echo is broken right now. TVCL-- when you get a chance, can you try redownloading Echo? maybe a file got corrupted? Branch (talk) 21:18, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi @Branch:, I've uploaded the newest version of Echo on to the server. Tvchannellists (talk) 08:57, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

It's still broken. My guess is a corrupted file somewhere but I don't know how to fix it. Branch (talk) 00:44, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

I tried running the maintenance script, but that doesn't seem to have fixed it either. Tvchannellists (talk) 01:36, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

TVCL-- did you try the steps here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Echo ? Branch (talk) 15:30, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

@Branch: Sorry for the late reply. I didn't get a notification for some reason. Yes, I followed the steps at that page when I was reinstalling it. Tvchannellists (talk) 12:55, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

MediaWiki Update

1.31 is out. PHP and MariaDB can be updated too if the server will let you. Note once the update is done, Replace Text extension can be removed from the folder as it's now bundled with MediaWiki (but don't remove the code that loads it or tells it what users have permission). Thanks Branch (talk) 15:34, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi @Branch:. I forgot to reply here earlier that I've updated MediaWiki. I don't have an option to update MariaDB. Tvchannellists (talk) 12:02, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Site addition suggestion?

Have you all considered something like a section with hotel TV channel listings? I just thought of it after getting my temporary relocation. My apartment is getting renovated and they've got me in a hotel a few miles away. Upon looking at what they have for TV I thought of the site and whether something like this would be a good addition, or if it's too ambitious since OTA and cable still have a ways to go. There really isn't any kind of online source for something like hotel TV listings that I've heard of or run across before. Just seeing what you all think. Thanks. Easttxtv (talk) 05:04, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for your suggestion, @Easttxtv:. I'm not against the possible addition, though I think two major challenges you'd face are a) the sheer number of different hotels (around 50,000 in the U.S), and thus the sheer number of hotel TV systems (every hotel I've stayed in in the U.S. has had different channel numbering, except those using the DirecTV-provided setup) and b) keeping the lists up-to-date, as I assume you wouldn't be returning to all the hotels you intend to list on a regular schedule to see what's changed. Tvchannellists (talk) 13:00, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

I guess between staying in this hotel, and having almost 3 decades of hotel work experience, I was in some kind of bright-idea mode (so to speak). I think it would be a good resource somewhere, especially since the hotels themselves don't tell you all you're getting beforehand, and even here where I am temporarily, the list they provide doesn't line up with what's actually on the TV. But thanks T.C.L. for bringing me down to earth. Easttxtv (talk) 13:41, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

I am also not against the idea but do have the same concern about the volume at which you'd be working with. Do most hotels not use either DTV or the local cable co's lineup?

A few do, but several go their own way. The one I'm at now has a system that comes through Dish, but they cherry-pick and do their own best-of/some-of list from that. There's about 40 channels total they have here. I worked at another one before that did the TWC (pre- Charter/Spectrum) whole basic list. Another I've worked for had a DirecTV-based system, but like where I'm staying at now, they cherry-picked there. So, it varies. Yes, they get it in some way, but the lineup amount/arrangement can vary widely. Some properties carry LodgeNet (or other vendor) in-room movies, some don't want to mess with it, it's a PITA (back-office paperwork side) to say the least. Most places will carry at least 1 premium movie cable/sat channel. I guess I can see the concern. They are adding new hotels around my area at an almost-furious pace, kinda crazy to think about. Easttxtv (talk) 20:16, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

A few days ago, I got a sample page together, including the one hotel I have a list for. If anyone has an opinion, let me know. Here's the link. Easttxtv (talk) 03:29, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Suddenlink update

I am a good ways toward being done with TX, incredibly enough. Thankfully, many lineups have been overlapped across 2 or more cities, saving lots of time. Strange that there isn't at least a little more channel lineup consistency (outside of the local station portion of the list of course) among all the lists so far. I have decided to skip some cities, for now, as sources for them either don't exist online or the local station info can't be pinpointed accurately enough (some coastal markets, for example, show availability of local stations but are listed as stations in Wichita Falls, which is totally odd). I have left those cities unlinked/black for now until I (or whoever) can later find a lineup for them that comes off more accurate. The only other issue has been with some lineups out in the Big Country area (west of DFW, southwest of Wichita Falls, east of Lubbock) showing PBS listings but saying they're from a PBS station in Colorado. Most of that area is likely (and more logically) getting their PBS signal from either KERA in Dallas or KTTZ in Lubbock, but I just left the listing as "PBS" without being more specific about the station until that could be verified later. BTW, for the most part, I have been using TVPassport.com for a main source. If there are other/better sites online you all can think of, let me know. Still wondering if Altice will leave all the lineups/cities alone, or they will have some kind of consistency or agenda when they get going. Anyway, that's the latest on that for now. Easttxtv (talk) 09:21, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

OK, done with Suddenlink in TX. Other than those weird exceptions. Guess I can take a breath before I take on whatever's next. >whew!< Easttxtv (talk) 03:03, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

eir Vision

Added page eir Vision. It's in Ireland and is an IPTV. Please add it to the front page. Thank you. Note "eir" is the correct spelling of Eir/eir and is not a typo. TattooedLeprechaun (talk) 15:43, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for adding that listing, TattooedLeprechaun. I have added it to the front page. Tvchannellists (talk) 05:55, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Sky UK & Sky Ireland,

Just wondering if it's possible to separate the Ireland Sky from the UK version. Officially they are two separate companies under the one parent company now. I think it's a little bit difficult to navigate to the Ireland channels from the current Sky page. Just a suggestion. I'd be willing to work on it if required. TattooedLeprechaun (talk) 14:21, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

If you’re willing to separate them out, I see no issue with them being seperated. When it’s done I can add the new one to the main page. Branch (talk) 14:26, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

@Branch: I've created List of Entertainment channels on Sky in Ireland, I was going to do the same design to the main Sky page with only the UK version in the Entertainment section only. I thought I should ask to see if it's OK. The HD/SD/+1 channels are all in one place and not mixed as it currently is. Let me know if it's ok to go ahead. TattooedLeprechaun (talk) 16:06, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Personally I'd prefer to have the entire list on one page for simplicity and not separated by category, since headers can do that on a page. What do other admins think? Branch (talk) 00:31, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

I'm happy for the Sky Ireland listing to be separate from the UK one, but I think I'd agree with Branch that the entirety of the Sky Ireland listings should be on one page, with headings used for the different categories. Tvchannellists (talk) 04:03, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

I think the layout changes made by TattooedLeprechaun have made it a bit of a mess. Many of the tables are now a bit too wide so having to horizontal scroll. The +1 column also isn't a great idea because some channels (e.g. Dave) are free-to-air on the main SD channel but not +1. Aetnla (talk) 00:45, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

I don't think a separate list for UK and Ireland for Sky makes any sense. It's one platform in the sense that it has one numbering system across all genres. There are some differences between the two countries (particularly in the entertainment genre) but in order to understand why changes are made in the UK numbering you need to see what is also happening in Ireland. Separating out also makes for a lot of unnecessary duplicate editing. I can just about see the sense in having additional separate lists for the entertainment genre but for other genres it makes no sense. As for the recent layout changes, I see pros and cons (Aetnla has identified one con). It also introduced some data errors which I hope I've now picked up. One benefit is the reduced length of the channel list.Disco (talk) 06:30, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

In relation to @Aetnla:'s comment regarding the size of the tables. I did ensure that the all the columns added up to 100%. Subsequent edits, not made by me caused errors in going beyond the 100% in the columns. In relation to the HD/SD/+1 channels where +1 channels are not in HD; the page was incredibly long with duplicate information such as the SD/HD/+1 all having a separate row. It was incredibly messy. There is no need for that duplication. No +1 channel is in HD, a note at the top could resolve this, if needed. I did my best to ensure redundancy wouldn't be an issue. In the article's talk page, it was mentioned that the page was too long, which I addressed. Now, someone can simply look up (e.g.) Channel 4 and see the HD, SD and +1 channels instead of having to look for them in different places within the article. also, I would like to point our that Dave ja vu (Dave +1) is free-to-view. I have two old Sky Digiboxes, with no card inserted (it defaults to the London region), and Dave ja vu is encryption clear. There may be an issue with your box/card/etc. If it is encrypted, a simple footnote could resolve this issue. (Note: Dave is not FTA in Ireland on Sky). TattooedLeprechaun (talk) 13:27, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

If the admins and general consequences wish to revert my edits, by all means, go ahead. The revision history is there. :) TattooedLeprechaun (talk) 13:35, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

I made some adjustments to make the relative sizes of the columns more appropriate. I may in error have had problems adding up to 100 but that was my intent and they all add up to 100% now. I agree we don't need another column for +1 encryption - I am only aware of two channels (Dave and Yesterday?) where encryption differs between the +1 and the SD version - that could be explained in the notes field. I don't favour reversing TattooedLeprechaun's edits either as, while the current layout is not perfect, the previous layout wasn't either and there are some advantages in terms of reduced length and getting a quick view on which versions of a particular channel are available with the new approach. They must also have taken time to do. The main question I have is whether we really need the additional, separate list of channels covering entertainment channels in Ireland and entertainment channels in the UK. --Disco (talk) 13:57, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

I have found a way of showing the different encryption between SD and +1 channels in the encryption box - see entries for Dave and Yesterday.--Disco (talk) 14:51, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Since I'm not from the UK and am unaware of the intricacies of how Sky UK/Ireland works, I think it'd be best to leave it to the UK list contributors' discretion. If the issues can't be resolved by casual discussion here, I'd suggest putting it to a vote for contributors to the Sky UK/Ireland page. Tvchannellists (talk) 01:18, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

As a US-based admin, I second the above. Branch (talk) 00:41, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Duplicate file deletion request

Hello, would you please delete File:Film Now.png? I didn't realize it was already present as File:FilmNow.png. The images are identical, save for the file size. Afelix (talk) 14:10, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

No problem. This has been done. Tvchannellists (talk) 23:37, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Great, thanks! Afelix (talk) 07:35, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

BBC World News HD on Frontier FiOS

Forwarding a request from an unconfirmed user account request by "M.E.O.": "Channel 607 for Frontier FIOS is BBC World News HD (in California, at least), but it's listed as HD only in your listings. I'd like to fix the omission." Tvchannellists (talk) 07:01, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

This channel lineup, as of May 2018 lists it as HD only. Being that this is the official frontier lineup, unless the user has another link, we will have to go by that. https://go.frontier.com/pdf/fios-channel-guide-ca.pdf Branch (talk) 19:12, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the follow-up, Branch. Looking at that PDF and at our channel list for Frontier FiOS in CA, it looks he actually meant to say "it's listed as SD only in your listings". Tvchannellists (talk) 23:26, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Fixed. Branch (talk) 20:38, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

Aertv

I've added List of channels on Aertv. It's an online TV service in Ireland. Can an admin please add it to the main page. Thanks. TattooedLeprechaun (talk) 11:54, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, TattooedLeprechaun. I've added this to the front page now. Tvchannellists (talk) 13:16, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Tele2

Please could you add List of channels on Tele2 Nederland to the main page? It's a IPTV provider in the Netherlands. C0re1980 (C0re1980|talk) 09:53, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Is the full name of the provider Tele2 Nederland? If it's Tele2, and it only operates in Netherlands, it should just be Tele2 in the title. If it operates in multiple locations, it should be Tele2 (Netherlands). Let me know, I'll fix if needed, and then add it to main. Thanks for everything. Branch (talk) 21:24, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Tele2 operates in several European countries. Tele2 (Netherlands) is the correct title. Thank you. C0re1980 (C0re1980|talk) 07:12, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

@C0re1980: This has now been renamed and added to the front page. Thanks for contributing the list. Tvchannellists (talk) 05:57, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Just created a new article + remove page request

I've just created this article that can be appear on the main page: List of channels on Guangdong IPTV. And don't forget to remove redirection page wiki/List of channels on Guangdong IPTV, cos I haven't check the URL at the initial edit. -Mraandthebigbrother (talk) 12:16, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for your contribution, Mraandthebigbrother. I've deleted the redirect and added the listing to the front page. Tvchannellists (talk) 10:58, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

DIRECTV Argentina

@Tvchannellists: Please add this https://tvchannellists.com/List_of_channels_on_DIRECTV_Argentina

Country: Argentina

Javier38 (talk) 16:51, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

@Javier38: Thanks for contributing the listing. I have added it to the main page. Tvchannellists (talk) 04:14, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

FiOS Solution

You could make a new section in the article showing the custom TV listings.

Or

Get rid of of the the coloums after "network" and replace them with the customs.

Interesting. We can't get rid of the other columns, except maybe the VOD one. But a whole new page isn't something I thought of. I'm not sure what the precedent is for having more than one page for one provider. Another option is we could have a Custom TV column, and in the column we have symbols corresponding to what custom tv packages that channel is in (each symbol could represent a package), though I'm not sure how that would look. Thoughts (TVCL, LIM, others)? Branch (talk) 14:36, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Another option to make space is to remove the 'Notes' column. It takes up a lot of space and only a few stations have notes. The notes could be inserted as footnotes, like how Wikipedia does references. That would free up a fair both of column space. Also, I'm not sure if it's possible, but the package column headings could be rotated 90 degrees, which would allow for the column widths to be much narrower.Tvchannellists (talk) 07:27, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Hmm... I like that idea. Issue is without Visual Editor, it's very difficult to remove a column. I'll look into see if there's a site that can turn a wiki table into visual just to delete the column, then pull it back in. Branch (talk) 20:49, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

You can do this on a sandbox page on a Mediawiki install that does have VisualEditor (e.g. Wikipedia) by copying over the source code from our page. In Wikipedia, start by opening the visual editor, then switch to using the source editor, paste our code in, then switch back to visual editor. Make your changes in the visual editor, then switch back again to code view and then you can copy and paste the code back onto TV Channel Lists. You don't even have to save it (to avoid it appearing in the page's history) as you can switch between visual and code view on the fly. Tvchannellists (talk) 23:36, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Just an update, I have done this using the method described above. It's something to keep in mind if you need to do any edits that are difficult to do without Visual Editor.

@Branch: You should be able to re-add the notes by looking at a previous version of the page for reference. Tvchannellists (talk) 23:36, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks! Would you be able to do it for the VOD Column too? It’s kinda useless. Then I’ll get work this weekend fixing Custom TV lineups. Branch (talk) 23:38, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

No problem. All done. Tvchannellists (talk) 00:09, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

MediaWiki Update

MediaWiki has now been updated to version 1.32 on TV Channel Lists. Please let us know if you spot any issues with the update. Tvchannellists (talk) 06:35, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Jump to navigation, search now appears at the top of every page. Doesn't seem to do much. Do you know if it's possible to get rid of it? Also, I'm aware Page Diff emails don't actually show the the changes made, only that a change was made, and I'm going to work this week to fix. Branch (talk) 23:17, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi @Branch: I've adjusted the site's CSS to hide this now. If it doesn't change, you might need to do a full refresh to force the CSS to update. Tvchannellists (talk) 05:35, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Can't currently upload any picture to the wiki right now, keeps popping up as an internal error. POWERStarz2004 (talk) 16:05, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi @POWERStarz2004: Thanks for the report. It appears that the AbuseFilter extension was causing issues. I'm not sure how to resolve the issue so I've just disabled that extension, since we now have moderated membership. Let me know if you are still having issues with uploading pictures. Tvchannellists (talk) 05:22, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

@Tvchannellists: Now works again. POWERStarz2004 (talk) 16:20, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Delete Local Cablevision

@Tvchannellists: Hello, can you delete the following pages?

They are outdated and Cablevisión offers the same channels throughout the country, only some local channels change.
Javier38 (talk) 10:59, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

~@Javier38: Sure. As they haven't been updated in 4 years, I have deleted the regional versions of the Cablevisión pages. Tvchannellists (talk) 01:20, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Notifications

Hi everyone,

Echo/Notifications system now works properly, you can finally clear your old notifications!

Branch (talk) 17:05, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

DTT channels / Freeview in UK

Hi, I created List of DTT channels (UK). It's also known as "Freeview". Can you please add it to the main page for the United Kingdom. This is a free-to-air platform. Thanks. TattooedLeprechaun (talk) 13:57, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi! Thanks so much! Is this list of a specific provider (DTT/Freeview?) or is it just a list of the available over-the-air channels in the UK? I'll add it once we know which it is. Thanks! Branch (talk) 00:22, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi, it would be under "Freeview", the specific provider, similar to Saorview in Ireland. Thanks. TattooedLeprechaun (talk) 10:35, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi @TattooedLeprechaun: Thanks for your contribution. As Branch hasn't had a chance to get back to you yet, I've gone ahead and added Freeview UK to the front page. Tvchannellists (talk) 00:31, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Zapping TV

Hi! I've created the channel list of Zapping TV: chilean provider via Internet of recent creation date but i think that it deserve an article here in the wiki. You can add it in Chile as the main country served although have the service available for Latin America and Spain but with a very limited amount of channels. Thxs. --Teité (talk) 04:30, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

@Teité: Thanks for your contribution. I have added the page to the front page of the website. Tvchannellists (talk) 08:33, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

BBC Radio London?

Hi,

Can I add 'BBC Radio London' as a regional variation to the non-freesat section, for people outside of London?

Regards,

Groover

Hi Groover. Try posting on the Freesat talk page. If you still don't get a response in a while, I think you can probably make the edit and then see if anyone has any issues with the edit. Thanks. Tvchannellists (talk) 05:49, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Master list of satellite channels (UK and Ireland)

Hi, I've created Master list of satellite channels (UK and Ireland). It's all the digital channels available on satellite in the UK and Ireland with manual tuning details. Is it possible if it could be added to the main page under the UK and Ireland sections? Thanks. TattooedLeprechaun (talk) 12:17, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

@TattooedLeprechaun: Thanks for the contribution. I've added it to the front page now. Tvchannellists (talk) 14:51, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

Thank you! :) TattooedLeprechaun (talk) 15:02, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

TVCL MediaWiki Update

TVCL has now updated to MediaWiki v1.33 and along with the upgrade, TVCL has now been set up to be mobile-friendly. When loading the site on a mobile device, TVCL will load using the mobile-optimised Minerva Neue skin. If you encounter any issues, please let us know. Tvchannellists (talk) 09:44, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

The upgrade seems to be creating a considerable increase in server resource usage. If you are encountering any 'resource limit exceeded' errors, please let us know, as we may need to look into upgrading the server's hosting. Tvchannellists (talk) 00:39, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

Server Migration Complete

Due to the growing server resource demands from increasing traffic and the implementation of the mobile-optimised site, TVCL will be upgrading its hosting to a VPS. This will give TVCL much more room to grow and, potentially, allowing us to bring back VisualEditor. However, this means that from when this notice is posted onwards, until the next notice advising that the server migration is completed is posted, your edits may be lost. We suggest either holding off making edits until the migration is complete or keeping a local copy of your edits. Tvchannellists (talk) 13:28, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

Update: The web host is still provisioning the new server so the migration will not yet occur just yet. You may resume editing for time being without loss of your edits. Tvchannellists (talk) 13:59, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

You could maybe set the wiki as read-only if you're concerned about data loss. Bo98 (talk) 21:55, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, Bo98. That's a good suggestion. I will do that once the migration is imminent. Tvchannellists (talk) 01:14, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

I have submitted the site for migration with the web host; as such, the site will now be placed into read-only mode until the migration is complete to prevent data loss. Tvchannellists (talk) 03:05, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

I've removed the lock for now as the Web host hasn't replied in over a day, so I'm assuming they don't work on weekends. The migration will likely occur sometime during the working week. Tvchannellists (talk) 22:54, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

Welcome back. We've now moved across to our new VPS server. Hopefully, the "resource limit exceeded" errors are gone and load times are better now that we have our own dedicated server. With the new dedicated hosting, in the coming days/weeks, we'll also see if it's possible to bring VisualEditor back. Thanks for your patience during the migration period and please let us know if you spot any bugs. Tvchannellists (talk) 13:38, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

New Feature: Newest Pages

If you want to see what pages have been newly added to the site, you can now do so through the new Special:NewestPages page. Tvchannellists (talk) 02:41, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

In-Article AdSense

With TVCL's server upgrades (which is still pending migration as the web host is being very slow to respond to tickets), our ongoing running costs have instantly gone up 400%, with a significant initial capital outlay. To try to help compensate for this increase in server costs, I have tried to optimise the website's Google AdSense placements. To begin with, this optimisation is only occurring on selected pages, with ad units inserted between tables. This has been added into the pages' source code and is notated as being AdSense code. If reformatting a page, I would appreciate it if you could please retain the AdSense code between the tables.

I know advertisements can be annoying, but they're a necessity to help pay for the (increasing) ongoing bills for TVCL's servers. As contributors to TVCL, I would encourage you to use an ad blocker on TVCL so you don't see the ads. Thank you to all of you TVCL contributors and the content you add to the site. Tvchannellists (talk) 12:42, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

VisualEditor

We're testing out VisualEditor to see how it runs on the VPS hosting. If you're having issues with the visual editor, you can use the classic "Edit source" option instead. Let us know if you have any issues with VisualEditor. Tvchannellists (talk) 01:14, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

VisualEditor went down due to some additional server upgrades but should be back up now. Please let us know here if it goes down again. Tvchannellists (talk) 13:29, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

There appear to be some performance issues with the site at the moment. VisualEditor has been disabled for the time being until the issue is resolved. Tvchannellists (talk) 03:08, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Main page -> Ireland -> eir Vision

Can an admin please change "eir Vision" to "eir TV" in the Ireland section on the main page? I've already redirected the old name. Thanks. TattooedLeprechaun (talk) 16:09, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi TattooedLeprechaun.This has been done now. Tvchannellists (talk) 22:11, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

DIRECTV Latin America

Hello again. I created a lineup page of DIRECTV Latin America and i'm asking for be addead at the front page. There's already a page of DIRECTV but from Argentina, i decided do my page becaus it's more practical gather all of countries serves by the company instead of make a single page for each one.

Sincerely. --Teité (talk) 06:35, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi @Teité: Sorry for the delay. I missed your message originally. I have now added DIRECTV Latin America to the front page. Thanks for your contributions. Tvchannellists (talk) 22:04, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

México: IZZI Telecom

Hello @Tvchannellists:

The following cable operators were purchased by Televisa and merged with IZZI Telecom, please delete them.

Cablecom
Cablemás
Cablevisión
Hypercable
TeleCable
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Also update the lineup of IZZI Telecom after the merger, you can remove the ad for better formatting, thanks.
Javier38 (talk) 14:05, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Hi @Javier38: I have removed those line-ups from the front page now and have also removed the clean-up notice on the IZZI Telecom page. Thanks for your contributions. Tvchannellists (talk) 22:07, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

T-Mobile Thuis

I've added the channel line-up for Dutch IPTV provider T-Mobile Thuis, List of channels on T-Mobile Thuis. Could this be added to the front page? I thank you in advance. --C0re1980 (talk) 17:03, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

@C0re1980: Thanks for your contribution. I've added this to the front page now.

Akash DTH

I would like to submit a page for Bangladeshi DTH operator Akash DTH. They just changed the appearance of their channel list and now they put channel numbers in it.

Reference: https://akashdth.com/channels/AkashStandard

@RandomMe98: Thanks for your message. Feel free to create the page if you'd like. Once you've completed populating it, I can link to it on the front page. Thanks. Tvchannellists (talk) 12:40, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Submission for new article

List of Channels on i-Cable in Hong Kong--Mraandthebigbrother (talk) 14:20, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, @Mraandthebigbrother:. I've added it to the front page now.

Deletion of previous Starz TV logos

Can I ask if one deletes the previous Starz TV logos posted (except the current one), since when I'm trying to view it on my userpage, it just displays a stretched version of the old logo to the size of the new one? POWERStarz2004 (talk) 18:03, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

@POWERStarz2004: I've deleted the cached versions of the Starz logo. See if it's updated now. You may need to press Ctrl+Refresh to get your browser to delete any cached versions on your system. Tvchannellists (talk) 22:03, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

@Tvchannellists: Yep, it is! POWERStarz2004 (talk) 14:23, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

@POWERStarz2004: ...and now, it's back to the squeezed logo. POWERStarz2004 (talk) 14:49, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

@POWERStarz2004: ...and back to the current logo! POWERStarz2004 (talk) 21:00, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

StarTV México | Satellite

Please add this https://www.tvchannellists.com/List_of_channels_on_StarTV_(México) Javier38 (talk) 08:40, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

@Javier38: Thanks for your contribution. This has been added now. Tvchannellists (talk) 23:38, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Logosoft page

Hello, could you place List of channels on Logosoft on the front page? Thanks. -MTV (talk) 22:38, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

@MTV: Thanks for your contribution. I have added it to the front page now. Tvchannellists (talk) 23:56, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Monthly American list updates

Greetings,

I'd suggest using {{#time:F Y}} instead of manually updating the month every 30 days. Try it out, it should work.

Cheers,

–Milan Rađenović (talk) 17:33, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Thanks, Milan. I've been doing it manually so that the 'Last updated' information at the bottom of the page updates as well so that Google can see that the pages are updated, whereas I'm not sure if an automated date change using Wiki code would reflect that, but I'll try it using the Wiki code. Tvchannellists (talk) 01:57, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Telemach page

Greetings,

The page for the Bosnian cable provider Telemach has been completed. Could you move it from User:Milan Rađenović/Telemach to List of channels on Telemach (Bosnia & Herzegovina), and add it to the main page? Also, this brand is used in different countries, hence why the country name should be in the title.

Regards,

--Milan Rađenović (talk) 01:01, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Thanks for the contribution. I have added the page now. Tvchannellists (talk) 01:13, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

No problem. Could you approve the user "Crnivrag" again, as he will be editing the page from now on? You created the account for him a few weeks ago but it appears to have been deleted due to insufficient activity. --Milan Rađenović (talk) 09:20, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

No problem. I've approved the account now. Accounts are set to auto-delete if there's no activity within a certain period of creation. I think once you've made at least one edit, it no longer gets auto-deleted irrespective of inactivity. Tvchannellists (talk) 09:31, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Telemach page former list

Hi,

Can you please move list of former channels in Telemach BiH digital offer from https://www.tvchannellists.com/User:Crnivrag/List_of_former_channels_on_Telemach to https://www.tvchannellists.com/List_of_channels_on_Telemach_(Bosnia_&_Herzegovina)/Former?

Can you please delete these files, because they are not in use anymore, and they were failed attempts: https://www.tvchannellists.com/File:ART_Info.png, https://www.tvchannellists.com/File:ART_Info_New.png, https://www.tvchannellists.com/File:Vinet_TV.png and https://www.tvchannellists.com/File:IQS_Life.png?

@Crnivrag: I've made these changes now. Thanks. Tvchannellists (talk) 23:11, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

@Tvchannellists: Thank you for that. I have strange problem, since yesterday, every new file that I upload won't show up anywhere. Files are being cached on TVChannelLists servers. I tried completely deleting everything in my browser, tried other browser and even my mobile phone, but new images won't load at all. Crnivrag (talk) 09:17, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

@Crnivrag: No problem. Regarding your problem, I've cleared the server's cache. See if it works now (you may still need to clear local caches also). Tvchannellists (talk) 09:24, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

@Tvchannellists: It's working now. I was confused yesterday, and didn't know what was happening, so that's why I created those multiple image files. If this happen again, I should just contact you to clean cache on server? Crnivrag (talk) 09:39, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

@Crnivrag: Yes, images are aggressively cached since they don't usually change often and caching them on the CDN reduces server load considerably, so you'll need to let me know to clear the cache for you. Alternatively, if you use a different file name (i.e. create new images instead of overwriting old ones), it shouldn't be a problem. Tvchannellists (talk) 09:45, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Bosnia: Analog cable addition to the main page

List of analog channels on Telemach in Sarajevo -Milan Rađenović (talk) 13:17, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Thanks for creating that list. Is it likely that there will be additional Telemach analogue channel lists for other regions in Bosnia? If so, could you create a parent page for the analogue Telemach listings? Similar to this one, which the front page will link to first. This is to avoid the front page from becoming too long with a link for every single region. If not, still let me know so that I can link to the page directly. Thanks. Tvchannellists (talk) 13:27, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

@Tvchannellists: Good point. I've created a parent page. -Milan Rađenović (talk) 13:29, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Thanks for that. I've separated out analogue and digital cable on the front page and have linked to the parent page for the analogue listings. I've also added the country to the parent page's title to be consistent with your other Telemach page's title. Tvchannellists (talk) 13:35, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

@Tvchannellists: Thanks, I forgot to do that while creating. I've omitted it on purpose for the Sarajevo listing because Sarajevo is in Bosnia, no need to specify that; however it was necessary for the digital listing because I'll probably create pages for other Telemachs in the future. -Milan Rađenović (talk) 13:39, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Account deletion

Hello, is there a way to delete the account or to anonymise it? If not, is it possible to request that? Thanks! --ScytheChariot (talk) 15:56, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

@ScytheChariot: Hi. We haven't done it in a long time, but I think it's possible to merge a specific account into a general anonymised account of deleted users. Were you wanting me to do this for your account? Tvchannellists (talk) 23:14, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

@Tvchannellists: Yes, for my account, please. Thank you! --ScytheChariot (talk) 11:36, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

@ScytheChariot: No problem. I'll do this now. Thanks for your time and contributions to TVCL until now, ScytheChariot. All the best. Tvchannellists (talk) 11:58, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

More front page requests

User:Milan Rađenović/Exe-net should be moved to List of channels on Exe Net first, then added to the front page.
List of digital channels on Pošta NET

Both are Serbian digital cable providers. Thanks! -Milan Rađenović (talk) 21:43, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Thanks for those contributions. I've made these changes now. Tvchannellists (talk)

You're welcome, hopefully I will be able to fish out info for more pages soon. Cheers and stay safe during corona. -Milan Rađenović (talk) 00:35, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Vandalism

It appears that the user Cheia99 has turned to vandalism, as seen in these edits: Exhibit A and Exhibit B, later reverting this. I'm concerned this might be a good-hand/bad-hand situation and possibly happen again in the future. Obviously I could be wrong, but either way I thought I should raise alarm. Thank you. -Milan Rađenović (talk) 23:26, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Thanks for raising that, Milan. @Cheia99: Could you explain these edits that Milan has mentioned? — Tvchannellists (talk) 00:13, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Per our graduated ban policy, I’ve placed a warning on their page. Future vandalism will result in a ban. Branch (talk) 18:38, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

@Branch: It looks like he's just removed/reverted your warning to him on his talk page; as such, I've applied a one-week ban. Tvchannellists (talk) 04:08, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Feature request

Hello. Could you consider enabling $wgAllowUserJs? This would be useful for me as I would like to use scripts in order to make certain things here quicker, such as undoing edits. Thank you. -Milan Rađenović (talk) 18:24, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi! Per the mediawiki page: “This enables a lot of neat customizations, but may increase security risk to users and server load.” We’ve had quite a few issues with server load in the past (why we don’t have VisualEditor at the moment). Are there any extensions that specifically implement what you’re looking to do, without the security risks and additional server load? Thanks! Branch (talk) 18:37, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

@Branch: Hello!

The security risks mentioned are only for the user's own account, as long as the user knows which scripts they're adding (but usually they wouldn't even use the JS subpages) there shouldn't be any problems. As far as the server load goes, I only plan on having scripts that will add buttons such as quick undo, you can see a similar implementation on Fandom here. Those things aren't resouce-heavy so I think that's not a problem in my case either. -Milan Rađenović (talk) 18:50, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Hi Milan. I've turned this setting on as a trial. If there's no issues with it being on, it'll stay on. Thanks. Tvchannellists (talk) 01:09, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, it's working great. —Milan Rađenović (talk) 01:18, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

More analogue lists for Telemach Bosnia & Herzegovina

@Tvchannellists:

Hi,

Can you please move these lists to the main page moving it from user section to main section?

https://tvchannellists.com/User:MTV/List_of_analog_channels_on_Telemach_in_Vitez

https://tvchannellists.com/User:MTV/List_of_analog_channels_on_Telemach_in_Zenica

https://tvchannellists.com/User:MTV/List_of_analog_channels_on_Telemach_in_Mostar

https://tvchannellists.com/User:MTV/List_of_analog_channels_on_Telemach_in_Tuzla

Crnivrag (talk) 10:56, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

@Crnivrag: Hi. These have been moved now. Tvchannellists (talk) 11:12, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

@Tvchannellists: Heads up, you forgot to delete this redirect. –Milan Rađenović (talk) 11:13, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

@Crnivrag: Thanks. This is removed now. Tvchannellists (talk) 15:27, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Server configuration

Hello!

Could you check your server configuration? There are two "versions" of the site - one without the www prefix and one with the www prefix. For instance, I am logged into the one without it, but logged out of the www prefix version. Could you fix this so the server redirects you to the version with the www prefix when you ommit it in order to avoid this confusion? Thank you.

Cheers, –Milan Rađenović (talk) 15:03, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Thanks for pointing that out. I think this should be resolved now with non-www requests being redirected. Let me know if you're still encountering any issues. Tvchannellists (talk) 15:28, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

You're welcome, it has been fixed indeed. Thanks. -Milan Rađenović (talk) 15:49, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Unused file deletion request

File:Check-blue.png, thanks. –Milan Rađenović (talk) 10:36, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: All done. Tvchannellists (talk) 10:42, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

New front page request

List of channels on Polaris Media –Milan Rađenović (talk) 12:09, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Thanks for the contribution. I've added the list to the front page now. Tvchannellists (talk) 12:25, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Mass replacement suggestion

Hello again. I've noticed a lot of pages use [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Example.com Example] rather than [[wikipedia:Example.com|Example]]. Personally, I think the interwiki prefix variant (the latter) should supersede the external link usage for English Wikipedia links. What are your thoughts?

Cheers, –Milan Rađenović (talk) 16:55, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Either option is fine with me as they both work. But since it's individual users putting those links in, you'll probably have a hard time getting one or the other consistently used. Tvchannellists (talk) 01:53, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Spare server capacity

Hi everyone. A while back, TVCL upgraded from shared hosting to VPS hosting as we were reaching server capacity. However, with the upgrade, we now have spare capacity that's left unused, which seems a bit wasteful. So if you have an idea for a MediaWiki-based website (or potentially other platforms), get in touch via email to see if we can host it on our VPS. Tvchannellists (talk) 05:41, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Honestly, I do not see any benefits of doing this. In my opinion, it would be better to reserve capacity for the future of this website than to spend it away on a website whose number of active users will be in single digits/completely inactive—not to mention that inactive MediaWiki sites are safehouses for spambots. Speaking of which, you have a leftover spambot here. –Milan Rađenović (talk) 13:45, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Thanks for the feedback. We've actually been experiencing negative growth as Google has demoted us in their search results on several key search phrases since about October last year; alongside that, the COVID-19 pandemic has resulted in significant falls in advertising revenue, which funds the site's hosting costs (TVCL will stay up irrespective of any advertising revenue drops, however).

I've removed the spambot page and that Wiki will likely be shut down once its domain expires due to its inactivity. Tvchannellists (talk) 02:50, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Couple of requests

Please:

Add List of channels on Supernova to the front page (digital cable, Serbia).
Add List of analog channels on Supernova to the front page (analog cable, Serbia).
Move User:Milan Rađenović/Sandbox/Supernova to List of channels on Supernova in the former GroNet area without leaving a redirect.
Move User:Milan Rađenović/Sandbox/Supernova-analog to List of analog channels on Supernova in the former GroNet area without leaving a redirect.

Thank you! –Milan Rađenović (talk) 15:59, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Hi Milan. This has been actioned now. Thanks. Tvchannellists (talk) 02:43, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Future additional over the air list

Hello to all, it's been a *while*. I am seeing that quite a few Mexican TV stations can be viewed in the US in different border city markets, and many of those are listed online (RabbitEars, and maybe Wikipedia (I haven't looked yet)). With that, I will probably have a list going soon for Mexican Over the Air listings. I know from doing other additions here before, that a new section isn't added until a new article/page has been established. Just letting you know in advance. Thanks... Easttxtv (talk) 03:47, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

@Easttxtv: Hi there. Welcome back. No need to let us know in advance -- just pop us a message here once the page is ready for the front page. Thanks! Tvchannellists (talk) 12:49, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Main page.

Hi, I created List on channels on Manbang (North Korea). Can this be added to the main page please? Thank you. Oh, it's an IPTV. TattooedLeprechaun (talk) 15:44, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

It's for North Korea by the way. TattooedLeprechaun (talk) 16:02, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

@TattooedLeprechaun: Thanks for the contribution, TattooedLeprechaun. I've added it to the front page now. Tvchannellists (talk) 06:23, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Page deletion requests

Pages by others:

FFE (unnecessary)
PANR2 (test page long since unused)

My own pages, which I won't finish any time soon and when I do they'll be started from scratch anyways:

Thanks! -Milan Rađenović (talk) 20:00, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Hi Milan. These have been deleted now. Tvchannellists (talk) 06:21, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Cached file deletion request

I'd like caches to be removed from https://www.tvchannellists.com/File:Quest.png, please? POWERStarz2004 (talk) 21:13, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

@POWERStarz2004: Hi. I've cleared the cache for that file now; you may also need to do the same on your local browser. Tvchannellists (talk) 23:04, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Page rename request

Hello. Could you please rename List of channels on SBB (D3) to List of channels on SBB without leaving a redirect and alongside that also correct the link on the main page? Thanks. –Milan Rađenović (talk) 12:40, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Hi Milan. This is done now. Tvchannellists (talk) 13:07, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. Another thing, could you delete List of channels on SBB (D3)/Changes? It's unnecessary and achieves nothing, not even sure why I created it. –Milan Rađenović (talk) 22:15, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Hi Milan. No problem. This is done now. Tvchannellists (talk) 23:06, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

New over-the-air list of stations for Mexico

Hi admins, I got the Mexico OTA list going, FYI. Hopefully I can add to it soon.

@Easttxtv: Thanks for that. Let us know once it's ready to add to the front page. Tvchannellists (talk) 07:01, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Oops, sorry, was in a hurry and forgot to sign it! The page is "ready", it just doesn't have any linked station lists yet. Easttxtv (talk) 07:09, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

No problem. What I meant to say was we don't usually add pages to the front page until the channel listing is complete. Since this is a directory page, we can add it when one or more of the sub-pages is complete. Thanks. Tvchannellists (talk) 08:37, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Cached thumbnail purge for File:Look 4K.png

Hi. Can someone purge the cached thumbnails for File:Look 4K.png? I uploaded a transparent version of this logo a few days ago, but the thumbs are still outdated. Any idea why this keeps happening when replacing files? Also, is there anything I can do in order to initiate such a purge myself? Thanks! — Afelix (talk) 11:25, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

@Afelix: Hi there. The image that loaded for me was already the transparent version you uploaded recently when I tried opening it just now, but I've cleared the CDN's cached version of that image in any case. You might also need to do a force refresh (Ctrl + F5 in Chrome) to clear the cached version from your browser.

The reason this happens is that the website is configured to maximise both your local browser cache (1 year limit) and the CDN cache (1 month limit) to reduce load on the server. Some listing pages have 100+ logo images on them, so can cause a considerable amount of server load when multiple users are all loading the hundreds of images at the same time. Given logos don't change that often, caching has been utilised to reduce server load as having the most up-to-date logos isn't that critical for most visitors to the site. The downside, as you've experienced, is logos persisting longer than they should.

A workaround would be to give it a different file name to the older version (e.g. channelname-uploaddate.png). Or, as you've done, you can request a cache purge. It can't be done by other users as the request is made using the CDN's control panel. Tvchannellists (talk) 11:43, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

If you're using Chrome, try pressing CTRL + F5. Google caches pages for faster loading. Sometimes Chrome holds the old version of the image on your local files. Pressing CTRL + F5 requests the page to be fully reloaded and to get the latest version of the page (and its files). This should show the new file. FireHairJoey (TattooedLeprechaun) ^{Talk2Me :Þ} 12:03, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

I would also like to add: If you're using Chrome, try pressing CTRL + SHIFT + R. Or press F12, then right click the reload button (top left) and select "Hard Reset". If none of these work, try again in about an hour to give the server time to update. Joey (TattooedLeprechaun) • 💬 15:06, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Sky Deutschland (Germany/Austria)

Sky Deutschland channels are also broadcast to Austria. Can you please add List of Channels on Sky (Germany & Austria) to the Austrian satellite providers please. Joey (TattooedLeprechaun) ^{Talk2Me :Þ} 12:06, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

@TattooedLeprechaun: Hi, TattooedLeprechaun. This is done now. Tvchannellists (talk) 12:11, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you Joey (TattooedLeprechaun) ^{Talk2Me :Þ} 12:12, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

You have a wish wishing to be fulfilled

Here, messaging because you probably won't notice this as the user self-posted. –Milan Rađenović (talk) 14:34, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. This has been actioned. Tvchannellists (talk) 14:40, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

No problem, I also shot you an e-mail about something. –Milan Rađenović (talk) 14:49, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Main page - UK - YouView

Hi, is it possible to add a sub-list to YouView in the UK section on the Main Page, to add:

Or if it suits better, just to add the above to the Main Page instead?

Thanks. -Joey (TattooedLeprechaun) • 💬 15:03, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

@TattooedLeprechaun: Hi there. I've updated the link on the front page to go straight to your sub-list page now. Tvchannellists (talk) 12:55, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Feature suggestion

I think enabling mw:Extension:MultimediaViewer would be a nice feature. For instance, I'd like to add images of set top boxes on my channel lists and a lightbox popping up with the full resolution of the image rather than it taking you to the file directly would be a nice user-friendly enhancement. What are your thoughts?

Regards, –Milan Rađenović (talk) 21:55, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Hi Milan. It's enabled now (it shows up in the version page) and isn't showing any errors, though is it doing anything? Tvchannellists (talk) 05:34, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

It doesn't work unfortunately. –Milan Rađenović (talk) 10:29, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: I've cleared both the server cache and my browser cache and it appears to work now. Tvchannellists (talk) 13:44, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Oh, thanks, works for me as well now. I actually tried it with a completely clean Firefox, it seems the issue was that the extension is not configured to work for anonymous (logged-out) users. Perhaps look into enabling that? See here. –Milan Rađenović (talk) 14:20, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Hi Milan. When I tested it and found it to be working, I did the test without logging in, so it must have just been a CDN caching issue (which has been flushed now). The page you linked to says it's enabled by default for anonymous users. Tvchannellists (talk) 13:05, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Can confirm it now works logged out in Firefox as well. –Milan Rađenović (talk) 19:57, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Move request

User:Milan Rađenović/Sandbox/Total TV srb to List of channels on Total TV (Serbia), alongside adding it to the main page with Serbian satellite providers, please. :) –Milan Rađenović (talk) 19:57, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Thanks, Milan. This has been done now. Tvchannellists (talk) 09:47, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

cURL error 7 when trying to save changes to a page

I don't know if this is the right place to put this but whatever. If I switch to the visual editor, I get this error when trying to save changes: "(curl error: 7) Couldn't connect to server". I also can't switch back to the source editor. Is this a problem with the site or is it just on my end? Thanks, -MistaDrop (talk) 01:08, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

@MistaDrop: Hi MistaDrop. I've run the maintenance script on the server. Let me know if that's resolved the error.

Unfortunately, visual editing is disabled due to server issues. If you would like to use VisualEditor, I'd suggest creating the page on Wikipedia in your sandbox, then copying the MediaWiki code across to TV Channel Lists once you've created it. Tvchannellists (talk) 01:40, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

New channel list move request

I have completed the Service Electric channel list for Birdsboro. Could you please move it from User:MistaDrop/SECV Birdsboro to https://www.tvchannellists.com/List_of_Service_Electric_channels_(Birdsboro) and add a link to it in List of Regional Cable Providers in the United States?

Thanks, MistaDrop (talk) 00:59, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

@MistaDrop: Hi MistaDrop. Thanks for your contribution. As requested, I have moved the page and added the link to the Regional Cable Providers page. Tvchannellists (talk) 11:35, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Move request

Can you move List of Bell TV Channels to List of Bell Satellite TV channels? This is the official name of the satellite service, which has fewer subscribers in recent years compared to Bell Fibe TV. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 23:43, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

@Mvcg66b3r: Hi Mvcg66b3r. This has been done now. Tvchannellists (talk) 23:59, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Flags

I noticed that many flags aren't using the custom flat pack so I decided to find the pack on Github and updated all of them (and added some new flags in the process). Sorry for the RC spam. –Milan Rađenović (talk) 00:57, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Also - could you delete File:Flag-ks.png as the right country code is XK - so the "correct" version is at File:Flag-xk.png? --Milan Rađenović (talk) 08:16, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Thanks for doing that update. I've deleted Flag-KS. Tvchannellists (talk) 14:18, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

File:Boomerang HD.png

Why does File:Boomerang HD.png have a blank thumbnail? Milan Rađenović (talk) 22:49, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Hi Milan. It seems to load OK for me. Tvchannellists (talk) 14:45, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

Milan Rađenović (talk) 17:04, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

Oh, I see what's wrong on my end. Sorry. Milan Rađenović (talk) 15:09, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

Hey Tvchannellists....

I have an alternate US over-the-air list page to show you: https://www.tvchannellists.com/User:Easttxtv/sandbox/US_Main_page_alt_project

I'm guessing you'll want to stick with the one that's already being used, but after seeing the main country page, I thought about coming up with a similar layout for the US over-the-air list. Instead of country flags, I uploaded state flags for each. I guess the page could be done without them. But anyway, just wanted your opinion. Thanks! Easttxtv (talk) 08:54, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

@Easttxtv: Hi there. Thanks for putting in the effort to put that together. I think it looks good. I'll leave your comment here for a few days to see if there's any feedback or opposing views from others and if not, we can swap it over. Tvchannellists (talk) 09:48, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

@Easttxtv: Hi Easttxtv. Since no one else has provided feedback, feel free to replace the OTA directory page with your enhanced version. Thanks again for your contributions and effort! Tvchannellists (talk) 07:11, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

UPC Direct logo

Hello Tvchannellists, I uploaded UPC Direct logo and it dosen't load. Since I use a browser (I have an Android device), Opera Browser for Android dosen't works when uploading files, but Chrome for Android works when uploading files, can you delete Upc direct 2019 wide.webp please? It does not load, since I uploaded a better version of the UPC Direct logo. Thanks. SobellSobea (talk) 07:13, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

@SobellSobea: Hi SobellSobea. It looks like the site doesn't support .webp format images; PNG and JPEG should be fine. I've deleted it now. Thanks. Tvchannellists (talk) 07:33, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

@Tvchannellists: Thanks for deleting that file. SobellSobea (talk) 07:35, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

Main Page

Hey Tvchannellists, there are 2 new Romanian TV channel lists that they need to be added on the main page:

List of Orange TV Go channels (Online)
List of Channels on NextGen (Analog)

Can you add these lists please? The first one (Orange TV Go) is made by me, while the second one (NextGen Analog) wasn't made by me. Thanks. SobellSobea (talk) 18:43, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

@SobellSobea: Thanks, SobellSobea. I have added these now. Tvchannellists (talk) 04:01, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

@Tvchannellists: There is a red link on the Orange Tv Go page on the main page. Can you fix it please? It's List of Orange TV Go channels, not Orange TV Go, so me and other users can edit if Orange adds an update on Orange TV Go. SobellSobea (talk) 04:24, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

@SobellSobea: Sorry about that. It should be fixed now. Tvchannellists (talk) 05:23, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for fixing this! It's better now. SobellSobea (talk) 11:36, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

AT&T TV

I just want to let you know that I created a new channel listings page for AT&T TV. It was launched on March 2, 2020. Can you add this page List of AT&T TV channels to the main page?

@Angie Tribeca: Thanks for creating that. I've added it to the front page now. Tvchannellists (talk) 04:03, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Horizon Go (Romania)

Hello, I made a page about Horizon Go Romania channels, but could you rename List of Horizon Go channels to List of Horizon Go channels (Romania) please? Thank you. SobellSobea (talk) 11:20, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

@SobellSobea: Hi SobellSobea. This is done now. Tvchannellists (talk) 11:23, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Horizon Go (Romania) on the Main Page

Hello, can you add List of Horizon Go channels (Romania) please? I finished this page today, so now it needs to be on the main page, on the Romania section and on the online section and I removed the WIP template, since it is now done, I added all of the channels that are on the Horizon Go online platform. Thanks. SobellSobea (talk) 11:55, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

@SobellSobea: Hi SobellSobea. This has been done now. Thanks. Tvchannellists (talk) 07:17, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Digi Satellite (Hungary)

Hello, can you rename List of channels on DIGI Hungary (satellite) (Hungary) to List of channels on DIGI Hungary (satellite) please? I will work on this page, since I opened the satellite caluclations page to see the channels and I can't find the packages to insert on what package is this channel. Thanks. SobellSobea (talk) 08:09, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

@SobellSobea: Hi SobellSobea. This has been done now. Tvchannellists (talk) 08:39, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Could you add List of channels on DIGI Hungary (satellite) on the main page please? SobellSobea (talk) 11:41, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

@SobellSobea: Hi SobellSobea. This has been added now. Tvchannellists (talk) 12:05, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Merge My Account

I'm sorry, but I am no longer interested into Tvchannellists. Please merge my account, as I am no longer active on Tvchannellists starting from tomorrow. Goodbye from now on. SobellSobea (talk) 15:12, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

@SobellSobea: Hi SobellSobea. No problem. Thanks for your contributions and all the best. Tvchannellists (talk) 15:18, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Bosnia addition

Please add an "Online" section for Bosnia on the main page and with it add List of channels on SUPER WEB TV, thanks! -Milan Rađenović (talk) 13:46, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Thanks, Milan. I've added the link now. Tvchannellists (talk) 13:56, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Indexing and Vodafone Hungary

I've noticed that links of diffs like [2] appear on Google. I was about to ask if you could deal with that in robots.txt but it's already there, could you perhaps look into doing this and see if that's a fix? Btw, /testpatterns/ doesn't seem to exist anymore so I think that can be taken off robots.txt

Also, I believe Cheia99 was trying to get List of digital channels on Vodafone Hungary featured on the front page in their previous edit, which I've reverted for obvious reasons. Milan Rađenović (talk) 17:29, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Hi Milan. When I tried searching for the diff page you mentioned on Google, I was unable to find it. Doing a search for "site:tvchannellists.com inurl:diff" only returned five results for diff pages. I'm not sure why those five results show up as putting their URLs into the robots tester you linked to shows that those URLs that show up are already forbidden to robots through the existing "Disallow: /index.php?*" line. I've removed '/testpatterns'. I'll add Vodafone Hungary now. Thanks. 23:35, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

They're trying to get List of Telekom Web TV channels added now, but once again improperly. -Milan Rađenović (talk) 01:00, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Thanks for that, Milan. I've added the page now. Tvchannellists (talk) 04:17, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Broken redirects

Could you delete these? Thanks! -Milan Rađenović (talk) 19:14, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Thanks, Milan. These have been deleted now. Tvchannellists (talk) 14:14, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

For the front page (Serbia, digital cable)

List of channels on ST Cable, thanks in advance! Milan Rađenović (talk) 17:55, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Admin Request

Also, I've been considering your administrator invite from months back. Given that apart from you there doesn't seem to be much activity and honestly I've gotten a bit bored with the front page requests, are you still up for it? Regards, -Milan Rađenović (talk) 19:45, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Hi Milan. Thanks. I've added this now. Sure, I can still add you as admin if you'd like. Alternatively, I'm considering unprotecting the front page. In the past, it was necessary as accounts weren't initially required to make edits, but now that it is, there's a lot less vandalism. Let me know what you prefer. Tvchannellists (talk) 00:11, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Both are fine with me, but I'd also like to do some maintenance and cleanup. -Milan Rađenović (talk) 08:10, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Hi Milan. You should have admin rights now. Let me know if you have any issues. Thanks. Tvchannellists (talk) 10:51, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, I cannot approve accounts. The message states: Your IP address is listed as an open proxy in the DNSBL used by TVCL – TV Channel Lists. You cannot create an account. even though I'm not using a proxy. Seems like it's an aggressive IP blacklist. -Milan Rađenović (talk) 11:02, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Hi Milan. The site pulls a live DNS blacklist from sorbs.net. I think I've disabled the DNS blacklist check now. Let me know if you still have issues. Tvchannellists (talk) 11:12, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Yep, works now. Btw, why was Cheia99 blocked? Apart from the logo reverting yesterday I haven't seen vandalism coming from them since my initial complaint. Editing-wise not exactly the most cooperative editor nor the most competent one but I'm not sure what caused the block. -Milan Rađenović (talk) 11:19, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Hi Milan. I'm not sure. I wasn't the one who blocked him. You can see more details here: Special:BlockList. Maybe ask Kalman2007. Tvchannellists (talk) 11:28, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Also, it would be neat if I could bot myself so I don't have the flood the recent changes when I'm doing mass repetitive edits. -Milan Rađenović (talk) 11:20, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Hi Milan. I'm not sure how to do this. Do I just add you to the bot list? If so, I've done this. Tvchannellists (talk) 11:28, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

No, now I can't unbot myself. I meant so that I can bot and unbot myself manually. It's $wgAddGroups['sysop'][] = 'bot'; in localsettings.php I believe? -Milan Rađenović (talk) 11:30, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Hi Milan. Thanks for that. I've taken bot off your account and have added the line to localsettings.php now. Tvchannellists (talk) 11:37, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Now I can bot myself but can't unbot myself. You should also add $wgRemoveGroups['sysop'][] = 'bot';. -Milan Rađenović (talk) 11:47, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: No problem. This has been added now. Tvchannellists (talk) 12:01, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Editing Issues

Hello TVCL editors. You may have had issues with editing on TVCL in the past few hours. This was due to the server's disk space being exhausted. This should be resolved now. Tvchannellists (talk) 05:02, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Consideration

Hello. I've been thinking a bit – could automatic deletion of accounts without edits be doing untold damage? Let's say that you request an account and plan on creating/updating lists later, maybe even months from your initial request and then you find out that you can no longer log in. This has happened to a user once and to me it seems like something that could happen sporadically, not too often but not too rare either. While you could make the argument that they can just create a new account, as a new user I'd be rather confused.

Of course, I also understand the arguments for this method as it could wipe out accounts of users that never really wanted to contribute in the first place, but I think it's something that could discourage certain people from editing and I think that's more important in the long run than to nuke dead accounts. Your thoughts? Cheers. -Milan Rađenović (talk) 19:56, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Hi Milan. I think this was originally implemented before the manual approval process was brought in. Back then, there would be countless accounts created by people thinking the site is something it's not (e.g. being their pay TV provider, being the TV channels themselves, an IPTV service, etc.). Even now, with the notices on the sign-up page that that isn't what this site is, there are still many account requests for reasons like 'I want to watch TV', 'please send your IPTV channel lists', 'please add XX channel to XX pay TV provider', etc. However, since accounts are now manually approved, perhaps the inactivity purge period could be increased to six months or a year? It is currently set at 30 days. Or do you think the auto-purge should be completely removed? Let me know what you think. Note that once a user has made at least one edit, it will never be auto-purged. Tvchannellists (talk) 22:26, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm aware that it doesn't auto-purge with a single edit and counting, but still. I think it could be increased to 3 months or 6 if we want to be more conservative. -Milan Rađenović (talk) 22:33, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: This has been adjusted to 3 months now. If there are still people caught off-guard even with three months to make their first edit, we can adjust up again to six months. Tvchannellists (talk) 22:46, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Sky Cinema Fun

Can you please remove the file [[File:Sky Cinema Fun 2020.png]], which I ended up uploading by accident? POWERStarz2004 (talk) 19:26, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

@POWERStarz2004: Done. -Milan Rađenović (talk) 19:29, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

confirmaccount-notify

Hello, could you add the confirmaccount-notify permission for administrators in localsettings.php? Thanks.

$wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['confirmaccount-notify'] = true; --Milan Rađenović (talk) 11:54, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Hi Milan. This was turned off as other administrators had emailed me saying they were getting too many notifications and wanted it turned off. Any e-mail confirmed requests should show up as a notification when you're on the 'Recent Changes' page though. Tvchannellists (talk) 12:03, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

In that case, could you add my account email in localsettings.php with $wgConfirmAccountContact? This should work, hopefully. Milan Rađenović (talk) 12:11, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Hi Milan. This has been added now. Let me know if it doesn't work. Tvchannellists (talk) 12:25, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

I didn't get an e-mail about an account request nor did I get an e-mail about my test account request being on hold (this was done on two separate e-mail addresses; both separate providers). --Milan Rađenović (talk) 12:32, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Hi Milan. The extension only sends out the notifications if the e-mail addresses provided by the requesters are verified. Just to narrow down the potential issues, did you verify the email addresses? Thanks. Tvchannellists (talk) 13:08, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

As I said, the e-mail never arrived to the requester's email so there was no way of verifying. --Milan Rađenović (talk) 13:13, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Hi Milan. The first email address you used bounced with the error message: "No such local user here". The second one I didn't get a bounce for. Could it be in the spam folder? Tvchannellists (talk) 13:30, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

So it works, looks like mailbox.org was the problem. A bit dumb that an e-mail adress has to be confirmed in order for a notification though. Thanks! --Milan Rađenović (talk) 15:48, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Moves

Should we allow regular users to move pages? I don't know what prompted this, but with manual account approvals this seems unnecessary and even creates more confusion. For example, a few days ago I had to merge edit histories of UPC Romania and Vodafone Romania pages because users just copied the content over to Vodafone Romania and blanked the former instead of moving it properly.

Thoughts? Regards, --Milan Rađenović (talk) 18:08, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Hi Milan. Most of the restrictions on the website stem from a period where there were vandalism and spam issues. Given the manual approval process now in place, I've adjusted the permissions to allow users to move pages. Tvchannellists (talk) 23:52, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Also on the topic of redirects (kinda), may I delete things like Investigation Discovery? Seems completely unnecessary to have those redirects when all you have to do is prefix wikipedia:. --Milan Rađenović (talk) 18:12, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Hi Milan. That's fine with me. Tvchannellists (talk) 23:52, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Need a second opinion regrading an account request

Special:ConfirmAccounts/authors?acrid=472 Not sure what to do with this one. --Milan Rađenović (talk) 21:05, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Hi Milan. I'd just leave it as being on hold as you've already done. Putting it on hold sends them this email asking them to elaborate on their reasoning. Tvchannellists (talk) 21:58, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Disclaimers & Policies

Hello. I was looking at Disclaimers & Policies#Incomplete Listing Guidelines and came across a sentence I found odd:

Outdated, defunct, and incomplete listings may also be moved to the creator's talk page until they are updated or completed.

Wouldn't it be better if incomplete articles were moved to the creator's user subpages, like for example User:Tvchannellists/Foxtel? Talk pages are meant for discussion and I feel mixing that with incomplete listings isn't a good idea.

Cheers, --Milan Rađenović (talk) 11:55, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Hi Milan. I don't think I came up with that text, so I don't know the reasoning behind it, but I'm happy for you to amend that text as per your proposal. Thanks. Tvchannellists (talk) 12:05, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Done. :) --Milan Rađenović (talk) 12:10, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

New template design proposal

Hello. What are your thoughts on this? I was thinking of updating our templates alongside the icons and to me, this looks more "modern". Blue will be information messages, red will be used for templates that deal with deletion, yellow/orange for maintenance templates, etc... --Milan Rađenović (talk) 22:40, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Hi Milan. Sure – looks good. I had it coloured red originally to try and draw people's attention to it – though even with the red colouring + bold and underlined text, people were still creating accounts to try and access IPTV and/or ask questions about their TV service. Tvchannellists (talk) 10:39, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, some people are just like that, which is why I was thinking of making them look a bit more minimalistic. All of the templates have been updated. -Milan Rađenović (talk) 12:44, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Thanks for doing those template updates – they look good. Tvchannellists (talk) 13:29, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Also, maintenance-wise: What do you think of removing unused files? If anyone needs them back I can simply restore them, which I'll state in my deletion summaries. There are over 1000 of them and I think it's time to do a bit of housekeeping even though it might delete a couple that could be used later (which I'll be affected by first and foremost). --Milan Rađenović (talk) 20:18, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Sounds good. The server has a file limit, so that would help. Although I don't know if deleting them from MediaWiki will also delete them on the server. Tvchannellists (talk) 21:45, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

No, they'll stay on the server. You probably could go deep and remove them, but I don't think that's a good idea if anyone wants to restore files. --Milan Rađenović (talk) 21:49, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Please flush the site cache so I can get everything I need from UnusedFiles. --Milan Rađenović (talk) 22:45, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Hi Milan. I've flushed the MediaWiki and CDN caches now. Tvchannellists (talk) 12:45, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Please run maintenance/updateSpecialPages.php as well. --Milan Rađenović (talk) 14:43, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Hi Milan. This is done now. Tvchannellists (talk) 15:51, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

First batch of deletions is done, but I'll need you to clear cache+run updateSpecialPages.php again so Special:UnusedFiles can display the next 1000 files. --Milan Rađenović (talk) 09:25, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Thanks for that, Milan. I've run the scripts now.

On the topic of these maintenance scripts - do you know why they aren't running automatically as they should by default? Could you fix that? --Milan Rađenović (talk) 15:52, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Hi Milan. Sure. I'll look into adding some Cron scripts to automate the maintenance. Were there particular scripts you were wanting to be run? Tvchannellists (talk) 09:27, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

For example - Special:BrokenRedirects, Special:DoubleRedirects, Special:UnusedFiles should all automatically update each day. Not sure why it's not doing that. --Milan Rađenović (talk) 09:31, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Oh, that's just because miser mode was turned on to reduce server resources back when the site was on shared hosting. I'll disable it now and see how the VPS handles it. Tvchannellists (talk) 09:37, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Investigation Discovery 2020

Can you delete this file [3], as I just noticed someone had already uploaded it? POWERStarz2004 (talk) 16:46, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

@POWERStarz2004: Done. -Milan Rađenović (talk) 16:50, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Mail subdomain

What is this? Just popped up on Google Search. --Milan Rađenović (talk) 09:32, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Hi Milan. The mail subdomain is used to send out the notification and account emails. It shouldn't be showing the website there. I've put in a redirect on the subdomain so hopefully, those results on Google should now disappear once Google recrawls them. Tvchannellists (talk) 11:08, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

IP unblock notice

Hello. There was a large number of old IP addresses/ranges (~800) that were blocked permanently. Given the fact that:

This website requires approved accounts to edit
These blocks were a couple of years old
Permanent IP address blocks were never really a good idea because you never know when a range could get reallocated to another provider or if a legitimate user gets assigned with a blocked one by their ISP. With Wi-Fi/mobile internet use and CG NAT on broadband becoming more widespread by each day this is growingly a discouraged practice

I decided to unblock them as this can only hurt legitimate users in the long run and is basically completely useless for blocking people from your website. If a vandal is so troublesome that an IP block is placed on them, chances are they'll evade that with VPNs that are basically impossible to block as they can just hop onto millions of other ones. Same goes for spambots too.

Also, I propose from now on that if IP blocks must be placed, they'll last for maximum six months. Maybe a year or two if it's really necessary, but certainly never infinite. --Milan Rađenović (talk) 22:30, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Hi Milan. Sure. I'm happy with what you've proposed. These IP block bans are again largely a legacy of when account creation didn't require approval and there was significant amounts of spam and vandalism daily. Now that it's no longer really an issue, the IP block bans don't need to stay. Tvchannellists (talk) 22:38, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, that why I did this mass unblocking. AFAIK, if your IP is blocked, you still won't be able to edit even if your account isn't. -Milan Rađenović (talk) 22:48, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

E-mail

Please check it. Thanks. --Milan Rađenović (talk) 08:21, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Hi Milan. Thanks - your message was in the spam folder so I didn't see it. I will action the things you mentioned. Tvchannellists (talk) 08:25, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, but something went wrong during the Echo update. this is what happens when you go to Special:Notifications. --Milan Rađenović (talk) 10:55, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

This also happened when I submitted my edit, again related to Echo. --Milan Rađenović (talk) 10:56, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Add MobileFrontend to the list as this happens when you enter mobile view. --Milan Rađenović (talk) 11:03, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Hi Milan. Thanks. It should be back up now. I need to update to MediaWiki 1.34 but there's some server issues which I'm checking with the hosting company about at the moment. Tvchannellists (talk) 09:25, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Special:Notifications only loads for a second now, this time without any errors though. The console spits this out:

load.php?debug=false&lang=en&modules=jquery&skin=vector&version=0w5wrgy:7 Uncaught TypeError: mw.echo.Controller is not a constructor
    at HTMLDocument.<anonymous> (<anonymous>:67:594)
    at mightThrow (load.php?debug=false&lang=en&modules=jquery&skin=vector&version=0w5wrgy:7)
    at process (load.php?debug=false&lang=en&modules=jquery&skin=vector&version=0w5wrgy:7)

--Milan Rađenović (talk) 11:26, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Hi Milan. I've reverted Echo now as well. I'll update the plug-ins fully once I'm able to get Mediawiki updated to 1.34. Tvchannellists (talk) 12:37, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

How are you installing these plugins? The current version of Echo for MW 1.33 is 952d89e, meanwhile on here it's a57ac75, which is the latest one for MW 1.31.

Similar thing is with MobileFrontend—the MW 1.34 version (6a8ef84) was added instead of MW 1.33 (312e8ed) --Milan Rađenović (talk) 13:23, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Edit: Seems like you're using mediawiki.org download links instead of git. If you know your way around git I'd highly recommend installing/updating extensions that way. --Milan Rađenović (talk) 13:24, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Also, I still get the same thing with Echo. Not sure if it's caching or if it was that way all along because I've never used it before. --Milan Rađenović (talk) 13:27, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: The web hosting company has resolved the server issues now, so I'll probably update the site to MediaWiki 1.34 soon (outside of peak website traffic hours). Tvchannellists (talk) 05:06, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Cool. Once you get MW 1.34 running, you should update a couple of things.

Skins:

MinervaNeue - https://extdist.wmflabs.org/dist/skins/MinervaNeue-REL1_34-ba11b7b.tar.gz

Extensions:

CheckUser - https://extdist.wmflabs.org/dist/extensions/CheckUser-REL1_34-8f9478d.tar.gz

ConfirmAccount - https://extdist.wmflabs.org/dist/extensions/ConfirmAccount-REL1_34-3ffa446.tar.gz

Echo - https://extdist.wmflabs.org/dist/extensions/Echo-REL1_34-33e3eb2.tar.gz

LookupUser - https://extdist.wmflabs.org/dist/extensions/LookupUser-REL1_34-51a3c6e.tar.gz

NewestPages - https://extdist.wmflabs.org/dist/extensions/NewestPages-REL1_34-34467ae.tar.gz

UserMerge - https://extdist.wmflabs.org/dist/extensions/UserMerge-REL1_34-3517022.tar.gz

MsUpload - https://extdist.wmflabs.org/dist/extensions/MsUpload-REL1_34-f70d1c8.tar.gz

googleAnalytics - https://extdist.wmflabs.org/dist/extensions/googleAnalytics-REL1_34-6441403.tar.gz

MobileFrontend - https://extdist.wmflabs.org/dist/extensions/MobileFrontend-REL1_34-6a8ef84.tar.gz

PageNotice - https://extdist.wmflabs.org/dist/extensions/PageNotice-REL1_34-212920d.tar.gz

Thanks. Also, what do you think about removing VisualEditor during the upgrade? It will be built-in starting 1.35 anyways and it seems unlikely it'll be used again. Milan Rađenović (talk) 13:31, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Thanks for that list. I'll update those plug-ins when Mediawiki is updated. I've disabled VisualEditor. Tvchannellists (talk) 15:21, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Well, they fixed one error, but now there's another error. I tried updating to 1.34 but it brought the website down. I couldn't even use the backup as that would get stuck on 95% restored. Finally managed to get it back up by manually restoring it through a backup using SSH. So we'll be on 1.33 for a while yet. Apologies if anyone lost any edits during the reverting of the server to its earlier state. Tvchannellists (talk) 16:28, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

I think part of the reason why the update fails is because the backup process times out given how many images and other files there are on the site. There's more than 100,000 files on the site with all the different sized versions of the images that have been uploaded. The SQL database for the site is also 1GB+ since Mediawiki keeps all previous revisions of pages. Tvchannellists (talk) 16:35, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Extensions

Per the above, if you aren't familiar with git, I managed to find direct links to updated versions for your MW version of the two plugins.

Also, sorry for bothering you with this. --Milan Rađenović (talk) 13:37, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Hi Milan. No problem at all. I've updated those two extensions to the latest version for MediaWiki 1.33. I tried using Git but it doesn't like that the folders for those extensions exist already, so I've just done it manually as I don't want to break the site again fiddling around with Git. Also, the Notifications page was working OK for me both before and now, so I'm not sure why it's not working for you. Tvchannellists (talk) 15:26, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. MobileFrontend and Echo are now working flawlessly without any errors.

the Notifications page was working OK for me both before and now Thanks for saying that. I cleaned my browser and now Echo works as intended. Probably a cookie issue or something --Milan Rađenović (talk) 16:01, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Sidebar

Hello. What are your thoughts on removing LANGUAGES (Google Translate) from the sidebar? For a site like this Google Translate works horribly, prime reason being that it translates channel names literally, making it useless. Milan Rađenović (talk) 10:45, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Hi Milan. From memory, it came about because people were wanting to put channel lists in local languages of the various listings. Since we lack the admin resources to oversee the various language versions + the complexities in setting up a multilingual site, the Google Translate widget was implemented as a compromise. I don't really have any visibility as to whether it's utilised, although I suspect not. I'll leave this discussion here for a few days to see if any of other users/admins have any input. If not, then I'll remove it. Tvchannellists (talk) 13:07, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Ok, fair enough. Speaking of things in MediaWiki:Sidebar, what's SEARCH used for? Btw, please clear server cache. Thanks! Milan Rađenović (talk) 20:44, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: I'm not sure what 'Search' is for. It seems like it's been there from the start. I've taken it off and there doesn't seem to be any difference. I've taken off 'Translate' as well since no one else commented. The cache has also been cleared. Tvchannellists (talk) 11:33, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Edit: The Google Translate bar is still there, so I guess the code for it is somewhere else. I'll look into it when I have time. Tvchannellists (talk) 11:35, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Downtime Update

Hi everyone. Thanks for your patience whilst the website was down. The MySQL got stuck in some kind of loop, filling up the server with log files and causing the server to lock up. The tech support staff at the web host seems to have sorted it out now and hopefully, everything's running smoothly again. Tvchannellists (talk) 08:02, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Seems to me it's running a bit smoother than before. -Milan Rađenović (talk) 08:41, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Issue spotted - it appears that something happened to diffs. For example, if you look at my contributions you'll notice that the diff link to the page List of channels on ST Cable dated 23 November 2020 is broken. I'm assuming this is because it timed out while I was attempting to publish the edits which makes those edits technically existing although broken - is there a way to "rebuild" these links or something?

Also, I'm noticing that special pages such as Special:BrokenRedirects have been reverted to their earlier versions, I'm certain they were getting updated. -Milan Rađenović (talk) 13:07, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Hi Milan. I had restored a backup of the files on the server trying to fix the issue before I figured out it was MySQL that was causing the issue. This reverted various settings in LocalSettings.php back to how they were previously. I've adjusted LocalSettings.php so that these pages should now auto-update again. Let me know if there are any other settings you need me to change. On a related note, recent file uploads may also need reuploading (you might not be able to tell if it's cached on Cloudflare, unless I purge the CDN cache [and you purge your browser cache]); although I'm not sure if the restore deletes files that weren't there at the time of the backup or if it just reverts files that did exist. I've also run the rebuildall.php maintenance script, so maybe that might fix the issues with the broken diff links. The web host mentioned there was some corruption in the database due to the MySQL issues which they ran a repair on, but I don't know if there are any outstanding bugs in the database. Tvchannellists (talk) 13:20, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your work. rebuildall.php didn't work, I think you should give deleteOrphanedRevisions.php a try although I'd advise having a reliable backup (and space for one). The bad diff IDs are from 79199 to 79289, so even if this doesn't work perhaps a little bit of manual commands can repair this. --Milan Rađenović (talk) 13:48, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: No problem. I've run deleteOrphanedRevisions.php now also. There's a lot of space on the server (more than 50% free). The MySQL error logs/dumps were taking up tens of GBs; the web host has disabled the crash dumps now to avoid any potential repeat of this scenario. It was creating 500MB+ crash dumps and it kept looping, creating new 500MB dumps until all the free space was gone. I've asked the web host to look into the issue with the backups also. Tvchannellists (talk) 13:58, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Ok, so the fix should be:

USE [DATABASENAME]; (I assume this is netzplan_mw1)

DELETE FROM `revision` WHERE `rev_id` >= 79199 AND `rev_id` <= 79289;

Then run rebuildall.php.

Of course, as this is direct database poking you need backups, but I tested this on a virtual machine and it worked perfectly, and the revisions I was removing were in the page history unlike the ones we are trying to remove. --Milan Rađenović (talk) 20:42, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

File issues

Just noticed some logo updates I had posted recently (e.g. some BBC Local Radio variants, Trace Vault) have somehow displayed the old logo regardless of size. I tried removing caches and it did not fix the problem, so is there something in the system that somehow generated that? POWERStarz2004 (talk) 00:38, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

@POWERStarz2004: Hi. Files were reverted to an older backup in bringing the site back up. You might have to reupload the new files. After you have, I can clear the CDN cache if you don't see updated versions after clearing your local cache again. Thanks. Tvchannellists (talk) 00:47, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

It's odd, it only affects overwritten files starting late October (as far as I have noticed) and it doesn't allow you to reupload the images as it still seems to have the same hash stored somewhere that it's the same file, even though it's just a duplicated older revision of the file (meaning different hash). "Regular" uploads that haven't been uploaded by overwriting should be fine though. Good thing I backed up everything for Serbian lists (including logos) before the site completely crashed (@Tvchannellists: if you happened to notice a lot of GET requests - that was me). --Milan Rađenović (talk) 01:06, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

@POWERStarz2004: If you aren't able to reupload the images (it always says "File seems to be empty" for me) then Tvchannellists or I will have to delete the revisions containing the "up-to-date" files in order for reuploads to be possible. --Milan Rađenović (talk) 01:09, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

I figured out that the updated files still exist in the thumbs directory in images in public_html. As they're thumbnails they'll probably be resized a bit, but it's better than nothing. --Milan Rađenović (talk) 01:16, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Another issue: The mail subdomain no longer redirects to the www subdomain as it did before the backup restore. --Milan Rađenović (talk) 01:16, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Thanks for the replies regarding the redirect and revision IDs. I'll get onto these when I can. Tvchannellists (talk) 01:45, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

The revision ID issue is no more - I guess the update script took care of it? -Milan Rađenović (talk) 00:29, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Milan. I had gone into PHPmyAdmin and manually removed those IDs when I upgraded the site to v1.35 the first time. I also found that the Google Translate code was in the skin template and removed that from there as well. I also implemented the mail redirect. Tvchannellists (talk) 09:10, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Files

So this is the list of files that got screwed up during the restore:

* [[:File:Absolute 80s.png]]
* [[:File:Absolute 90s.png]]
* [[:File:BBC Asian Network.png]]
* [[:File:BBC Radio Berkshire.png]]
* [[:File:BBC Radio Bristol.png]]
* [[:File:BBC Radio Cambridgeshire.png]]
* [[:File:BBC Radio Cornwall.png]]
* [[:File:BBC Radio Cumbria.png]]
* [[:File:BBC Radio Cymru 2.png]]
* [[:File:BBC Radio Cymru.png]]
* [[:File:BBC Radio Derby.png]]
* [[:File:BBC Radio Devon.png]]
* [[:File:BBC Radio Essex.png]]
* [[:File:BBC Radio Gloucestershire.png]]
* [[:File:BBC Radio Guernsey.png]]
* [[:File:BBC Radio Hereford & Worcester.png]]
* [[:File:BBC Radio Humberside.png]]
* [[:File:BBC Radio Jersey.png]]
* [[:File:BBC Radio Kent.png]]
* [[:File:BBC Radio Lancashire.png]]
* [[:File:BBC Radio Leeds.png]]
* [[:File:BBC Radio Leicester.png]]
* [[:File:BBC Radio Lincolnshire.png]]
* [[:File:BBC Radio London.png]]
* [[:File:BBC Radio Manchester.png]]
* [[:File:BBC Radio Merseyside.png]]
* [[:File:BBC Radio nan Gàidheal.png]]
* [[:File:BBC Radio Newcastle.png]]
* [[:File:BBC Radio Norfolk.png]]
* [[:File:BBC Radio Northampton.png]]
* [[:File:BBC Radio Nottingham.png]]
* [[:File:BBC Radio Oxford.png]]
* [[:File:BBC Radio Sheffield.png]]
* [[:File:BBC Radio Shropshire.png]]
* [[:File:BBC Radio Solent.png]]
* [[:File:BBC Radio Somerset.png]]
* [[:File:BBC Radio Stoke.png]]
* [[:File:BBC Radio Suffolk.png]]
* [[:File:BBC Radio Surrey.png]]
* [[:File:BBC Radio Tees.png]]
* [[:File:BBC Radio Wiltshire.png]]
* [[:File:BBC Radio York.png]]
* [[:File:BBC Three Counties Radio.png]]
* [[:File:BBC World Service Radio.png]]
* [[:File:Classic FM.png]]
* [[:File:Discovery Turbo.png]]
* [[:File:EWTN Catholic Radio.png]]
* [[:File:Gold Radio.png]]
* [[:File:Kiss Fresh.png]]
* [[:File:Kiss Radio.png]]
* [[:File:KissFresh.png]]
* [[:File:LBC News.png]]
* [[:File:Lifestyle Food AU.png]]
* [[:File:Panjab Radio.png]]
* [[:File:Premier Christian Media Trust.png]]
* [[:File:RTÉ Chill.png]]
* [[:File:Scala Radio.png]]
* [[:File:Sky Cinema Christmas HD.png]]
* [[:File:Sky Cinema Christmas.png]]
* [[:File:Trace Vault.png]]
* [[:File:TRACE Vault.png]]
* [[:File:UCB Ireland.png]]
* [[:File:Virgin Radio UK.png]]
* [[:File:WRN Europe.png]]

Per the above, we could either restore what we have from the thumbnails or let the users update themselves. --Milan Rađenović (talk) 01:24, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Hi Milan. Just checking whether you had resolved this? Or did you want me to look into it? Thanks.Tvchannellists (talk) 09:19, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

@POWERStarz2004: @Milan Rađenović: I've now restored the files above (of the ones that haven't been reuploaded in the past few days) using the largest available thumbnail version (generally, 800px wide, which should generally be plenty wide enough for display on the website). I've cleared the CDN cache, but you may need to clear your local cache also. Tvchannellists (talk) 05:16, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

The rather complicated restore process for those interested:

1. Get URLs of all affected links
2. Download an archive of the thumbs folder
3. Delete all folders except the affected files' folders (and their parent folders)
4. Delete all images of affected files except the largest-sized version
5. Rename all thumbnails to remove the size prefix at the start of the filename (e.g. 800px-BBC.png ==> BBC.png)
6. Move everything up one folder level (as the thumbnail folder creates a folder for each image uploaded to store the various-sized versions in named after the original filename and the full-sized images folder doesn't do this)
6a. But before moving everything up one folder, rename the individual folders, as Windows doesn't allow a filename same as the folder name
7. Delete all the individual images' folders
8. ZIP up the remaining renamed images with folder structure intact
9. Upload the ZIP onto the server
10. Extract the ZIP with folder structures intact, overwriting existing files
11. Clear cache
12. Users may also need to clear browser cache

Front page request

Added new page:https://www.tvchannellists.com/List_of_Focus_Sat_Live_TV_channels IceCoolExtreme (talk) 21:21, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

@IceCoolExtreme: Done. – Milan Rađenović (talk) 19:27, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

MediaWiki Upgrade in Progress

Whatever the web host's tech support staff did, the Mediawiki update process is working again, so I'm using this opportunity to upgrade the site to Mediawiki v1.35. Some functionality may be limited until I get all the extensions updated. Tvchannellists (talk) 09:51, 24 November 2020 (UTC).

Update: The site is stable... Somewhat. The loading and editing issue has been resolved but extensions still need sorting. Sorry everyone, after this it should be stable. -Milan Rađenović (talk) 17:32, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Botched maintenance – December 4

There was an attempt to move the MediaWiki installation to git – unfortunately as likely saw it was riddled with errors. I apologize for this downtime and for the time being have reverted everything, however there will likely be a second attempt at this. --Milan Rađenović (talk) 13:02, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Can you please make more content, if you have time?

Hello admin!

I found out that Poland is missing. And there are other wishes. I would like a station list from Vodafone Germany, a station list from Cyfrowy Polsat in Poland, a station list from Netia, which also belongs to Poland, a station list from Zattoo in Germany, Austria and Switzerland and since Unitymedia no longer exists, a renaming of the Unitymedia station list in Vodafone West and an update, also in Germany.

So it could look like this:

Australia

Free to View
- Freeview
- VAST
- Optus D2
Cable & Satellite
- Foxtel
IPTV
- Fetch TV
- TPG

Austria

Cable
- UPC
Satellite
- Sky
Online
- Zattoo

Bangladesh

Cable
- Bengal Digital

France

Satellite & IPTV
- Canalsat
- Free
- SFR

Germany

Cable
- Vodafone
- Vodafone West
Satellite
- Sky Germany
Online
- Zattoo

Hong Kong

Cable
- i-Cable
Free to View
- Terrestrial television
IPTV
- now TV

Philippines

Cable
- Angeles City Cable Television Network
- Cablelink
- Cablenet
- Destiny Cable
- Parasat Cable TV
- Planet Cable
- SkyCable
- SPC Cable TV
- Royal Cable
Satellite
- G-Sat
- Cignal TV

Poland

Satellite
- Cyfrowy Polsat
IPTV
- Netia

Portugal

Cable
- Cabovisão
- NOS
Satellite
- NOS
- MEO
IPTV
- MEO
- Vodafone
Online
- NOS

Sweden

Cable
- Boxer

Switzerland

Cable
- UPC
- Swisscom TV
Online
- Zattoo

Taiwan

Free to View
- Taiwanese Over-The-Air TV Stations

Thank you!

--Kevin Pfeiffer (talk) 09:22, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

@Kevin Pfeiffer: Hello, User:Tvchannellists is only the site operator, lists are created and maintained by the userbase. You're going to have to request these lists to people somewhere else, perhaps a local forum. Or start contributing yourself. :) – Milan Rađenović (talk) 09:43, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

@Kevin Pfeiffer: Hi Kevin. Thanks for your message. Like Wikipedia, pages (or listings) on TVCL are created and contributed to by users such as yourself. I or the other admins wouldn't have enough knowledge of systems around the world to be able to populate every country's listings and lists for particular countries are usually maintained by those who live in those countries or have some association with them. If you have knowledge of channel listings in Poland or for Vodafone Germany, etc., please feel free to create listings for these services. Tvchannellists (talk) 09:45, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Recent update / Changes not saved

When I tried to submit an edit to List of channels on CytaVision, I got a message that my changes were not saved. It only happened once, but I just wanted to let you know. The message suggested signing out and signing back in. I did this, and it worked as normal. Joey (TattooedLeprechaun) • 💬 16:04, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

@TattooedLeprechaun: Thanks for reporting. Did you "sit"/idle on the edit for a while before publishing it? What you are describing seems to me that the csrf/edit token expired or got corrupted on your end in some way. I'd recommend repeating the process of logging out and then clearing your cookies and cache for this site/domain completely, then if it comes back let us know. –Milan Rađenović (talk) 16:06, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

@TattooedLeprechaun: I think I've identified what caused that and will be trying to fix it. – Milan Rađenović (talk) 02:42, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

The root cause of this has been fixed, I think, but I'd still recommend the process of logging out and then clearing your browser cache alongside cookies for this domain just to know that your browser is fully cleaned in case this happens again. I am really sorry for the inconvenience, hopefully this doesn't happen again. If it does, let me know and I'll make some further changes. – Milan Rađenović (talk) 03:23, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Images notice

Hello hello. This is just a notice in case anyone has an issue with images in articles – there is no need to reupload them. What's happening is that I am trying to debug an issue in a modified configuration (which I cannot reproduce on the test variant of this site, therefore making me do it live) that is causing the missing images, even though I quickly revert this due to caching you might still see missing images. If that is the case, I recommend clearing your cache alongside cookies for this site/domain, if you still experience missing images you will have to wait for a CloudFlare cache flush (which will happen soon). – Milan Rađenović (talk) 18:34, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

As per Milan's message, the cache has been cleared now. Tvchannellists (talk) 23:50, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

I think the changes have been applied without any issues now, I've tested it and it works fine, looks it might have been CloudFlare's cache. Regardless, this is not certain, and if you spot a broken image after clearing your cookies and cache please report ASAP so I can revert the changes. – Milan Rađenović (talk) 00:11, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

New namespace proposal

On February 1, Invest Inženjering will cease to exist and will become part of a much larger provider with a completely different lineup. I've noticed this happened a couple of times in the site's history, and I've been wondering – would it be a good idea to move those pages to a separate custom Archive namespace instead of simply deleting/blanking them and then linking these on the main page? I know some people who would still like to be able to browse archived channel lists of defunct providers (myself included).

Cheers, – Milan Rađenović (talk) 11:35, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea to me. Several of the listings have pages detailing past line-up changes, so it makes sense to also preserve the listings of providers that become defunct/amalgamated/rebranded/etc. also. Tvchannellists (talk) 11:38, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Email

Please send me a message with your personal address again, so I can reply --Milan Rađenović (talk) 23:16, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Milan. I've sent you another email from my personal address. Thanks. Tvchannellists (talk) 06:42, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

BFBS - UK

Hi, I've added List of channels on BFBS TV.

It's from the UK and is available via military satellite across the world at UK British Forces sites and is generally not available to the public. So I don't know how you wish to add this to the main page. Thanks. Joey (TattooedLeprechaun) • 💬 15:24, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

@TattooedLeprechaun: Thanks, TattooedLeprechaun. I've added it to the UK for now, since that's where it originates from. If you think it fits better somewhere else, let me know. Thanks. Tvchannellists (talk) 15:36, 29 January 2021 (UTC):

@Tvchannellists: Perfect, thank you. Joey (TattooedLeprechaun) • 💬 15:50, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Temporary Alternate Version of Website

We're experiencing some server configuration issues so the site is being temporarily redirected to this alternate version. The back-end database is the same, however, so your changes should be able to be retained when the regular version of the site is back up. Tvchannellists (talk) 22:46, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

And it's back. :) --Milan Rađenović (talk) 23:32, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Sky UK and Ireland

Hi, I've separated Sky in the UK and Sky in Ireland. They are two seperate companies.

They are here:

Can you please update the main page with respective pages? Thanks. Joey (TattooedLeprechaun) • 💬 17:08, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

@TattooedLeprechaun: Done. I've also unprotected editing for the main page, in hindsight, it's really not necessary. – Milan Rađenović (talk) 17:11, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Oh sorry, I didn't know. Thanks Joey (TattooedLeprechaun) • 💬 17:15, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

@TattooedLeprechaun: No, everything was done correctly on your end. I unprotected the page after you left the message. Happy to help btw – Milan Rađenović (talk) 17:17, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Grand, thank you. Also, I added Template:MainPage, just for backup if needed. Joey (TattooedLeprechaun) • 💬 16:28, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

@TattooedLeprechaun: I don't get it, in case a revision needs to be reverted to it can easily be accessed from the page or contribution histories. Unless it's easier for you in this way? If true then okay, but I'd rather have it on your subpage(s) rather than the Template namespace. – Milan Rađenović (talk) 16:43, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Just in case there's a major dispute over it, and it gets edited heavily and it's difficult to find what it's currently like in the history. Joey (TattooedLeprechaun) • 💬 16:49, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Aertv

Magnet Networks' Aertv shut down in 2020. Is there a page for archiving defunct providers yet or do I just remove it from the main page? CillBill (talk) 21:17, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

@CillBill: Thanks for the message – I completely forgot about my own proposal. I have created the Archive namespace (and Archive talk alongside it) – how it works is basically you move the page (and talk – of course) to Archive and then remove the listing from the main page if present. Given that the "Archived listings" link is just a listing of all pages in the Archive namespace there's no need to add anything, it will happen on its own. If not, blame the cache. – Milan Rađenović (talk) 22:13, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Delete these files

Hello, can someone delete these files please?

Thank you. Soby (Talk • Edits) 14:53, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

@SobySobea: Hello,

Is there any specific reason as to why you want these files deleted? As far as I can see, they are just unused. I plan on routinely cleaning out unused files every couple of months so this isn't an issue, and in any case they are not doing any harm, nor will their deletion free up server space as they'll just go into a folder designated for (publicly) deleted files in our MediaWiki installation. If these files had some sensitive info then it's a different story, but pinging the lead admin for unused files this frequently is really pushing it. – Milan Rađenović (talk) 15:00, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. I will no longer do this next time. Soby (Talk • Edits) 15:02, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Virgin Media UK

Hello, I redid Virgin Media UK's list with the new packages but I'm unable to move List of channels on Virgin Media (UK) - New Packages back to List of channels on Virgin Media (UK). I hope I didn't mess things up. CillBill (talk) 05:54, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

@CillBill: Hi, if I understood correctly, you want Old Pages to be moved back into the root article? In my opinion, it's best to move List of channels on Virgin Media (UK) to Old Packages and then just use List of channels on Virgin Media (UK) as an index for both pages (therefore eliminating the need for duplicates on the main page). – Milan Rađenović (talk) 05:57, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Good idea, I hadn't thought of that. I'll do that now. CillBill (talk) 06:11, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

@CillBill: Done. Sorry for the unnecessary move, got a bit confused. Should be all good now. – Milan Rađenović (talk) 06:19, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

BFBS

Here's a bunch of redirects left from BFBS, not sure if you want to delete them. CillBill (talk) 16:05, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

@TattooedLeprechaun: Is this okay to be deleted? --Milan Rađenović (talk) 17:02, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Yes, these all can be deleted, thanks. Joey (TattooedLeprechaun) • 💬 11:37, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: These articles can be removed too. There is a typo in them: List of channels of BFBS TV (...). I corrected the links on the Main Page too.

List of channels of BFBS TV (Far East)

List of channels of BFBS TV (Asia)

List of channels of BFBS TV (Africa)

List of channels of BFBS TV (Americas)

Joey (TattooedLeprechaun) • 💬 12:34, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

All done. – Milan Rađenović (talk) 13:29, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

TuVes HD

Hello

I already have the TuVes Channel List ready to be incorporated into the Chilean list at Home Page. I hope to be able in contribute with other companies at the future. Updated: April 16th, 2021 (First Contribution) Link: List_of_channels_on_TuVes_HD Country: Chile Name: TuVes HD System: Satellite.

Best Regards. AtsumuJT

Thanks for your contribution, AtsumuJT. If you haven't already, you can add the listing to the front page of the wiki. Tvchannellists (talk) 01:30, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

DTT channels (UK)

With standard definition, HD, +1 and timeshare of streams details, I find List of DTT channels (UK) too complicated to understand. I would like to redesign the listings. Using Freesat as a guide, I have created a layout on my sandbox page.

List of DTT channels (UK) Discussion page has never been used; so what is the etiquette to do this? TableWiz (talk) 22:15, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

@TableWiz: Welcome and thanks for the contributions!

As an administrator, my personal opinion is that your variant is easier to follow and cleaner. But I think these are your options before reformatting the page completely:

A) Ping most frequent editors of the page. (using {{Ping|[insert username here]}})

B) Use the talk page that you mentioned yourself, but there's no guarantee people won't miss it.

C) Both.

D) Reformat and hope no one complains.

This isn't as bureaucratic as Wikipedia's system for handling things like this (thankfully), but we are a very small site and can afford to do things a little easier. – Milan Rađenović (talk) 22:21, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

IceCoolExtreme

Hello, I just saw that the user IceCoolExtreme is a possible sockpuppet of Cheia99, because I just saw their contributions, the edits are edited by the same person.

Some of the users from Logopedia (I also edit on Logopedia) told me on Discord that IceCoolExtreme is also editing on TVChannelLists and not only on Logopedia, which he and his accounts are blocked for failing to follow the editing guidelines. Soby ☆ Talk ☆ Edits 05:56, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

His sockpuppet accounts are:

These are the only accounts that he used to evade his ban. Soby ☆ Talk ☆ Edits 06:01, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

@SobySobea:

Hi, I doubt it. IceCoolExtreme is much more English-fluent and communicative than Cheia and his sockpuppets ever were.

Also, unless a user is a murderer or something like that, their status off-wiki (so on Logopedia) is irrelevant.

Regardless, I am not going to go sock hunting unless there is some evidence. --Milan Rađenović (talk) 06:05, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

https://logos.fandom.com/wiki/User:IceCoolExtreme

This is his Logopedia userpage and the evidence. He got blocked by an administrator on 13 March 2021 for constant edit wars and not editing pages correctly. Also, he has made many sockpuppet accounts on Logopedia to evade his block. Soby ☆ Talk ☆ Edits 06:09, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

@SobySobea: I do not consider something that happens on another wiki (especially on one such as Logopedia [where they can't even run CheckUser]) worthy of evidence in order to ban on another website. --Milan Rađenović (talk) 06:11, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

This case about IceCoolExtreme making many accounts to evade his ban reminds me back in 2016 and 2017, when some of the users, who are SuperMarioPlayer, Dylan Fagan, CataGamerTVCL and Robert (aka RTY1957) made a lot of accounts to evade their block, and as a result, their accounts got merged into their original account. Soby ☆ Talk ☆ Edits 06:14, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

@SobySobea: Lead admin will check this out when he has the time, but (as you've seen) I am hesitant to do anything about this at this time. Thanks for bringing it up anyways and wanting to keep the wiki clean. --Milan Rađenović (talk) 06:21, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

@SobySobea: Hi. Thanks for your message. I agree with Milan in that what happens off the site is generally not a consideration in how the administration of TVCL is undertaken. In relation to IceCoolExtreme, unless there's evidence of current sockpuppeting on TVCL, there are no site rules being broken and thus no action to take. The accounts you listed as potentially being belonging to the same person as IceCoolExtreme have long been inactive so we no longer have the logs available to check. Tvchannellists (talk) 15:33, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

IceCoolExtreme - Second Topic

Hello, I have a problem with the user IceCoolExtreme. This user harrased me for claiming that I did nonsense. This is the evidence of him harrasing me (in Romanian): https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/771016078293467187/844772079328165928/Screenshot_20210520-060218_Opera.jpg Soby • Talk • Edits 03:33, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

@SobySobea: Report to Softpedia staff (btw I don't even understand this). --Milan Rađenović (talk) 05:01, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

@SobySobea: Further to Milan's message, as we are admins of TVCL, we only take action on issues either undertaken through or directly relating to TVCL. If the harrassment is occurring on Softpedia, I would advise that you contact the admins at Softpedia instead. Thanks. Tvchannellists (talk) 09:53, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

I will report this to Softpedia Staff if this happens once again. Soby • Talk • Edits 09:32, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

I don't know how to report on Forum Softpedia, he started harrasing me once again. Soby • Talk • Edits 16:21, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Edit: IceCoolExtreme is confirmed to be a sockpuppet of Cheia99, as I said. The evidence is https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/785556976716742686/845344059194736700/Opera_Snapshot_2021-05-21_195439_forum.softpedia.com.png?width=990&height=274. Soby • Talk • Edits 16:56, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

@SobySobea: That's your message and claim, no evidence (and once again off-wiki). We've told you to not report off-wiki things again and again previously, so I'll have to tell you bluntly: If you do not drop this I will temporarily block you from this talk page. And stop obsessing over this user --Milan Rađenović (talk) 18:58, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

I will stop. Soby • Talk • Edits 03:18, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

@SobySobea: But how did you want me to change my name? I knew that you can't change your name unless you create another account. I don't understand why you say I'm harassing you... I will never understand what you have with me and why you want to eliminate me everywhere. IceCoolExtreme' • IceCoolExtreme • Edits 16:21, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

@IceCoolExtreme: Although you can't change your account's name on TVChannelLists, but after your previous account, Cheia99, got blocked, you created and started using this account. Soby • Talk • Edits 17:19, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

@SobySobea: As previously advised, please leave off-site topics off-site. We cannot do anything in relation to things that happen on Softpedia as we are not Softpedia admins. Unless something else happens on TVCL or directly relating to TVCL, the admins are considering this issue to be closed. Tvchannellists (talk) 06:03, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

Ok, this will no longer happen. Soby • Talk • Edits 06:17, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

Scheduled maintenance

FYI, on May 22, 2021 at 8 PM UTC±0 I will begin upgrading MediaWiki from 1.35.0 to 1.35.2 and along the way perhaps look into more things. This will also be posted as a site notice later. – Milan Rađenović (talk) 15:01, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Update done. I'll continue tweaking things up so expect some hiccups tomorrow. – Milan Rađenović (talk) 21:17, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

Message to @Tvchannellists:: I haven't enabled ads yet. Will do so tomorrow (UTC+2 timezone ftr) --Milan Rađenović (talk) 21:53, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Thanks for doing the update, Milan. Much appreciated. Tvchannellists (talk) 08:37, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Babel templates and userboxes

Hello, do we need babel templates on TVChannelLists? I was thinking to add babel templates on my userpage. Here is an example of a babel template: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:User_ro, I may talk about userboxes. Soby • Talk • Edits 15:43, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Can someone please restore the Userbox template? Soby • Talk • Edits 15:47, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi

Testing.

> {{Userbox|id-bg=green|id=Hi|info=Testing.}}

ro-N	This user has native knowledge of Romanian.

> {{Babel|ro|N}}

en-4	This user has near-native knowledge of English.

> {{Babel|en|4}}

@SobySobea: Will document these templates and make the colors less boring for each language level for babel later, for now this should be okay. --Milan Rađenović (talk) 17:01, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Ok. Soby • Talk • Edits 17:03, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Modifying Permanent ban offenses

Hi. I think we should take off the following on Permanent ban offenses:

Creating an account using a disposable email address (examples: 10 Minute Mail, Mailinator, etc.)
Creating an account using a proxy IP address

Because:

Disposable email creations are already going to be rejected on-sight, and if a contributing member happens to have one somehow we could just ask them to change it. See no reason for it to be a permanent ban offense, you could argue someone could do it for personal reasons.
Similar to the above but even moreso, proxies/VPNs are often used in repressive countries and also for personal reasons such as privacy. I don't think we even check IPs when approving accounts (I don't) so I think this can safely be taken off.

Thoughts? --Milan Rađenović (talk) 10:13, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

I'm happy for these changes to be made. They were imposed during a period when there was frequent spamming and malicious editing but those haven't been an issue for a while now Tvchannellists (talk) 13:07, 4 June 2021 (UTC).

And here is a rule proposed by me, if you upload a SVG that is uploaded as a raster, you could get blocked for doing that? I saw a user who got blocked for uploading SVGs that are uploaded as a raster. Soby • Talk • Edits 10:30, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

IceCoolExtreme got blocked because he consistently messes with things without checking (which falls under "minor disruptive behavior). I wouldn't block someone for a minor mistake like that (that they may not have even known) usually. --Milan Rađenović (talk) 10:34, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

I have attention to not upload PNGs as SVGs. Soby • Talk • Edits 11:47, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

@SobySobea: Sure, but as I said, it's nothing that would be blockworthy in normal circumstances (and you should be able to spot them yourself as they will be very blurry when scaled down on pages). When you start mass replacing them and have a history of "correcting" things by making them wrong however is when you'll achieve a different result. --Milan Rađenović (talk) 15:06, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

I use Inkscape to do SVGs, while for PNG files, I don't upload them as SVG, simply PNG. Mainly, I find SVGs from the internet. Soby • Talk • Edits 15:50, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

SSL

Could you try renewing it now? --Milan Rađenović (talk) 18:24, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Adminship for SobySobea

Hello, may I become an admin on TV Channel Lists please? Soby • Talk • Edits 18:54, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

@SobySobea: I'd say you are eligible. However, I'd like @Tvchannellists:'s opinion and also 24 hours to pass before promoting. --Milan Rađenović (talk) 19:15, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

How? I would like to become an admin. I'll have to await. Soby • Talk • Edits 03:20, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi @SobySobea:. Thanks for your offer; however, given the issues between you and IceCoolExtreme, it'd present a potential conflict of interest in having either of you in an administrative role. Additionally, I think we have a sufficient amount of admins at the moment given the relatively small size of this wiki. Tvchannellists (talk) 11:16, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Ok. Thank you for noticing this, I have more interest being an admin there. Six admins would be enough as my idea. Soby • Talk • Edits 11:22, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi @SobySobea:. We don't intend to add any new admins for now. Thanks. Tvchannellists (talk) 14:29, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

When I will become an admin then? Soby • Talk • Edits 14:29, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

There is no timeframe for when a new admin will be added. Even when this occurs, the user that becomes the new admin will be decided upon then. Tvchannellists (talk) 14:32, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

@SobySobea: Your inability to read the room is also making me think you're unfit for the time being. Continue creating articles, improving pages, assisting with SVG replacements, etc etc. We scout users for potential adminship frequently, if we feel that you are fit we will let you know. But with this type of communication that's going to be a no for now. Thanks. --Milan Rađenović (talk) 14:34, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. I would do this job, since I have started to improve pages, replacing PNGs with SVGs and I would create some channel lists, like what I did with the Polish ones. Soby • Talk • Edits 14:35, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

@SobySobea: Just keep doing what you were doing prior to this request alongside communicating better on talk pages and we could reconsider in the future. Also, if you need mass edits, I have scripts I can use to assist. You can request on my talk page whatever you need. --Milan Rađenović (talk) 14:40, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Ok. 14:42, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Demote me and merge my account

Hello, I am quitting TV Channel Lists forever. Could you please demote me as a moderator and merge my account? Thanks. Soby • Talk • Edits 06:12, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Do note that next time you create an account I will be blocking you as a sockpuppet because this is like the 4th time you've requested this. --Milan Rađenović (talk) 07:16, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Bell Satellite Channel Listings Guide

Hi,

I'm new here and wonder what the best way would be to upload comprehensive listing of Bell Satellite TV channels (in text format or pdf possibly?). In my channel guides, I have logos along with the TV station name and corresponding channel number. I've included a screenshot of the pdf version available from my website (it's free of charge to our users).

Please advise. Thank you.

Darryl

Hi @HelpfulGuy:. This site uses the same Wikicode as Wikipedia. There may be websites that would let you convert other formats into WikiCode, otherwise you'll just have to create it using the editor on the site. Thanks.

Also, as noted our our TVCL:Disclaimers & Policies page, and as advised previously by email on April 21 2020, self-promotion and external links (apart from to Wikipedia) are not permitted. As such, I have removed your links.

Tvchannellists (talk) 06:54, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Sandbox pages

Hello! I wanted to know if sandbox pages (where we can do fake lists) are 100% allowed. I couldn't find anywhere any statement over the matter, but maybe I haven't looked far enough. If they are openly allowed, then the name must be User:ValentinVV/page_name? Thank you! --ValentinVV (talk) 17:36, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

@ValentinVV: Yes, they are. Do whatever you wish on them. --Milan Rađenović (talk) 18:06, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Restarting server

Hello, could you please restart the server? It has been acting up lately. --Milan Rađenović (talk) 13:21, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: Hi Milan. No problem. I've restarted the server now. Also, I sent you an email about five days ago – not sure if it got through to you? Tvchannellists (talk) 13:25, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

I did sorry, I just wasn't checking. Replied. --Milan Rađenović (talk) 13:28, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, Milan. Replied also. Tvchannellists (talk) 13:34, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

IMPORTANT: Server migration

Hello,

I will be attempting server upgrade on August 5 at 1 PM UTC. This will bring us faster page load times and stability alongside room to add new features.

The downtime will last for a day at most, depending on how long the DNS propagation and resolving of potential issues during the migration take.

Thank you. --Milan Rađenović (talk) 11:36, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Postmortem: September 1 data loss

Hello,

First some background:

You may have noticed in the last couple of days that there have been sporadic 520 errors. There were a lot of attempts to fix this, and there was nothing to go on - no errors for Apache/PHP, no failed services, nothing usual in journal logs/memory, CPU consuption... There was simply nothing. I also don't recall changing anything in these last few days that could cause this. Due to the persistent and very hard to troubleshoot issue for which any changes didn't fix, I decided it was best to start clean, finish quickly and see if it's still an issue.

Now on the second:

Unfortunately, when migrating from the old install to the new one, there was an accidential deletion of data. No tools found anything, the only option was this month-old backup.

What now?

I genuinely cannot express how sorry I am that this happened. At this point, aside from apologizing I cannot do much as the data is gone, but I can however damage control and face the issue. I am stepping down from the administration as a result of this - I feel that the (un)responsibility and implications of this are just too much. The years and bytes of work put into by volunteers is something that shouldn't be deleted on a whim even by mistake, and that's not to take account the trust in which the owner placed on me. I believe I have made a massive mistake and that going forward this is a huge trust issue.

Thank you, --Milan Rađenović (talk) 15:27, 1 September 2021 (CDT)

Special apologizies go to @IceCoolExtreme:, @Flowering: and @TattooedLeprechaun: --Milan Rađenović (talk) 15:36, 1 September 2021 (CDT)

Upset about this lost data. I would be truly grateful if someone could convert or help me find a converter that will convert https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:bNpAPY81fqIJ:https://www.tvchannellists.com/w/List_of_channels_on_Sky_(United_Kingdom_%26_Ireland)+&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk to wikitext. Aetnla (talk) 21:58, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Bing cache: https://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=&d=4758811119060993&mkt=en-GB&setlang=en-GB&w=Sw9bcyFNceZ0DtSGzfa-JPAyyi3F3oCV Aetnla (talk) 22:11, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

@Aetnla: Will be done. Apologies once again. --Milan Rađenović (talk) 22:01, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

@Aetnla: The page is available again now (albeit outdated, I'll work on converting that). It was a separate issue. Kinda hectic atm --Milan Rađenović (talk) 22:07, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

@Aetnla, TattooedLeprechaun: Take a look at the progress on User:Milan Rađenović/Sky. It's pretty much been restored, I'll continue a bit later. Too burned out for anything productive to come out further. --[[c] (talk) 22:47, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: I've done a far amount of editing in the past month. Too much to remember everything. When the page is restored fully, I may come back and contribute to the site. But for now, I'm out. It can't be guaranteed that the site will get reverted again due to errors. Sorry for being blunt, but I can't contribute and have the stuff I did reverted. Feel free to delete my account if you want. // @CillBill:, I guess you got your wish to have the Sky UK & Ireland pages reverted. Do what you want with it. I'm out. TattooedLeprechaun • 💬 (🧊⛏️) 13:13, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

@TattooedLeprechaun: It has already been restored, except the formatting might be weird. --Milan Rađenović (talk) 13:15, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: I dunno, I just feel a bit frustrated that some of the work I did is gone, not including the Sky pages TattooedLeprechaun • 💬 (🧊⛏️) 13:18, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

@TattooedLeprechaun: Hi TattooedLeprechaun. Apologies again about the loss of your edits from August. In relation to the guarantee of not losing edits from potential subsequent reversions in the future due to errors, I'm trying to setup regular off-server backups at the moment so that even if the server gets completely wiped, like happened yesterday, there shouldn't be such a large loss in user contributions. As you mentioned you might return in the future, I will leave your account active (unless you specifically want me to delete it, in which case, please let me know). Tvchannellists (talk) 13:58, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

I understand, but there's nothing I can do at this point. And I no longer have administrative rights anyways so I cannot assist with account deletion. --Milan Rađenović (talk) 13:19, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

@TattooedLeprechaun: I got my wish? I just wanted to know how merging three lists with significant differences was an improvement, and without an explanation. If I really cared that much I would have reverted it. CillBill (talk) 13:25, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

@Flowering::

These exports are for now very rough, but that's not really a huge issue. The formatting can be fixed fairly easy, it's important that the data and most of the formatting is okay. I also have local copies of caches saved so I can easily readd background colors that the converter skipped for some reason. Will be working on this tomorrow. --Milan Rađenović (talk) 23:39, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello, I have not yet expressed myself on the subject but anyone can make mistakes, and in any case there will be a new numbering for Canal + on September 7th, But since setting up a queue I've lost my patience and created a wiki on Fandom to see what it's worth, and it's hard to start from scratch. So I try to continue because it is a rare site to be so complete, certainly there is an update from the list to do, but I will not give up. --Flowering (talk) 18:39, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

@Flowering: Thank you a lot for understanding, but I don't get it - are you leaving this site for the Fandom wiki or...? --Milan Rađenović (talk) 18:43, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

@Milan Rađenović: No, I will continue on this site because starting a new wiki is a difficult thing, I will resume on Tuesday if all goes well and Fandom is only a fallback, Thanks -- Flowering (talk) 04:35, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi everyone. Some further background. Milan has been assisting with moving TVCL over to a more powerful server to help with load times on the website. Cloudflare was causing some intermittent accessibility issues. I won't go into the details here, but in trying to diagnose and resolve the issue, the most recent version of the website was inadvertently lost and we had to revert to a backup. Normally, we have more frequent/recent backups, but as we had just moved over to the new server, off-server cloud backups hadn't been setup yet (something we're looking into at the moment). Once this is set up, hopefully, we shouldn't have to rely on such old backups. However, I'd also like to take this opportunity to acknowledge how much @Milan Rađenović: has been contributing to TVCL – both in terms as an administrator on the site as well as on the back-end with the server setup. He's put in a tonne of hard work into keeping TVCL running smoothly and well as with the administration of the site. Milan, I greatly appreciate your contributions to TVCL and sincerely hope that you can stay on in your current capacity on TVCL. I've certainly have made configuration changes that accidentally taken down TVCL in the past and, personally, I don't think there was any failing of responsibilities – it was an accident and everybody has accidents every now and again. Tvchannellists (talk) 00:11, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

I've been getting a few 520 errors today while previewing edits. Is this expected? I hope we don't need another revert already. CillBill (talk) 20:43, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

@CillBill: This appears to be a Cloudflare issue

In my defence, at the time of my nuking of data, there wasn't as much data available on this as it is now. --Milan Rađenović (talk) 22:55, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

Ah okay, I wasn't implying anything. I hope Cloudflare fixes the issue soon. CillBill (talk) 01:11, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

@CillBill: This issue should be resolved now. Let us know if you are still encountering any issues. Thanks. Tvchannellists (talk) 13:27, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Off-site backups

Hi everyone. A topic of concern that was understandably raised in the 'post-mortem' topic amongst contributors to the site was the potential loss of user edits in the event of issues with the site/server. I'm pleased to announce now that TVCL has now set up off-server backups. This means that even if the server is completely wiped for whatever reason, we'll be able to restore the site in its entirely, generally, with no more than one day of lost edits. To further enhance recoverability, TVCL is also maintaining multiple snapshots of the site at different intervals. I hope this addresses everyone's concerns and provides some reassurance that your contributions are safe going forward. Thanks again to all of TVCL's contributors. Tvchannellists (talk) 09:55, 4 September 2021 (UTC).

New User Rules

Am I required to add lineups immediately??? CPLANAS1985 (talk) 02:14, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

@CPLANAS1985: Hi and welcome! No need to add line-ups right away – you can contribute whenever you're ready. Tvchannellists (talk) 02:17, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Okay... Am I required to contribute regularly??? CPLANAS1985 (talk) 16:36, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

@CPLANAS1985: Nope, it's up to you how often you want to contribute. Tvchannellists (talk) 16:38, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

@Tvchannellists: I have a new question... In what categories would I list college-exclusive lineups as well as those from municipally funded and operated cable systems independent of established providers (i.e.: Wyandotte Cable in Michigan)??? CPLANAS1985 (talk) 01:29, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

@CPLANAS1985: Hi CLPANAS1985. Perhaps some of those providers would fit under List of Regional Cable Providers in the United States? Or perhaps you can start subsections with college providers and municipal providers. It's up to you – there's no fixed rule as such – especially since we haven't had college/municipal providers on the site previously. Tvchannellists (talk) 03:38, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

File Missing?

I uploaded these 2 files earlier today. Why do they say "File missing" and "404 not found"? (The 7mate one doesn't matter, I've replaced it with an SVG)

File:Foxtel Now.svg

File:7mate HD AU.png

CillBill (talk) 21:12, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

@CillBill: Apologies, CillBill. Those two files were uploaded right when the maintenance started and so they got corrupted. Everything else on the website (edits and images) should be OK. I will delete the 7mate file since you've uploaded a SVG version now. Apologies again. Tvchannellists (talk) 21:25, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Empty trash

Could you empty the basket? https://www.tvchannellists.com/w/Category:Candidates_for_deletion IceCoolExtreme (talk) 15:03, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

@IceCoolExtreme: Thanks for the message. I've deleted the page and will get on to the images also soon. Tvchannellists (talk) 07:18, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

@IceCoolExtreme: All done now. Tvchannellists (talk) 03:00, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

New lineups and their accuracy

@Tvchannellists, Branch, Kalman2007, TableWiz: I have contributed two lineups in the College section: University of Michigan and Michigan State University... You can review them for yourselves... I could NOT guarantee 100% accuracy as the source lineups were outdated... CPLANAS1985 (Male • USA • T • C • TW • IG • FB) 18:48, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

@CPLANAS1985: Thanks for the contributions. I'm not in the US, so it's not really in my area of expertise. Branch, our US-based admin hasn't been active lately, unfortunately. Tvchannellists (talk) 01:40, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Retro and Vintage Lineups

Hello again @Tvchannellists:... For your curiosity, I have introduced some old lineups -- in case you aren't already aware -- with more to come... CPLANAS1985 (Male • USA • T • C • TW • IG • FB) 19:05, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

@CPLANAS1985: Thanks for the interesting contributions. We've had pages on line-up changes, but I don't think we've had historical listings from decades ago before. Tvchannellists (talk) 22:07, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Potential Recruitment

Good Saturday to you @Tvchannellists:

I've got a question for you... Have your considered recruitment of additional moderators and administrators for the site (through Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Discord and Wikipedia)???

CPLANAS1985 (Male • USA • T • C • TW • IG • FB) 16:02, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi @CPLANAS1985:. We haven't, as there hasn't really been a need recently for more admins/mods since TVCL has a relatively small number of editors and thus doesn't need that much admin work. In the past, we've tended to promote existing users as opposed to recruiting someone specifically to be a mod or admin. Tvchannellists (talk) 02:34, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

File deletation

Hi @Tvchannellists:

Can you please delete file "Nova BH 2021.png", because it was just a placeholder until new SVG file surfaced online, and now the new SVG file is available at "Nova BH.svg", so this old .png image is not in use anymore? Crnivrag (talk) 19:04, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Crnivrag:. I have deleted the file now. Thanks. Tvchannellists (talk) 22:02, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Deletions and moves

Could you delete List of channels on Exe Net and then move List of channels on Exe Net in Niš in its place? (Please leave the redirect though). People from other areas are getting moved to Supernova and local listings are no longer needed. Thanks --Milan Rađenović (talk) 21:11, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Come think of it, Archive:List of channels on Exe Net in Vlasotince alongside List of channels on Exe Net in Vlasotince could probably get deleted as well. Minimal differences (of which they are just departments forgetting to add/upgrade to HD something in communication) and no real historical reason to archive it. --Milan Rađenović (talk) 21:16, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Milan Rađenović: Resolved --IceCoolExtreme (talk) 21:52, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

@IceCoolExtreme: That ruins the edit history. Leave it to the admin. --Milan Rađenović (talk) 22:13, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

@Tvchannellists: I just remembered (lol) that actually, the Exe Net name had been phased out by May 2021 but I didn't do anything with the page because the lineup was still pretty different and everyone still referred to it by that. I do think it's about time that is sorted out however, so I've moved List of channels on Exe Net in Niš to List of channels on Supernova on the former Exe Net network so List of channels on Exe Net can be deleted now. --Milan Rađenović (talk) 22:36, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

tl;dr basically just delete List of channels on Exe Net, Archive:List of channels on Exe Net in Vlasotince alongside List of channels on Exe Net in Vlasotince. --Milan Rađenović (talk) 22:45, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Milan Rađenović:. This has been done now. Thanks. Tvchannellists (talk) 04:01, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

You missed List of channels on Exe Net in Vlasotince. --Milan Rađenović (talk) 09:57, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Milan Rađenović:. Thanks. Done. Tvchannellists (talk) 15:31, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Empty trash

Could you empty the basket? https://www.tvchannellists.com/w/Category:Candidates_for_deletion IceCoolExtreme (talk) 1 November 2021 10:45 AM

Hi @IceCoolExtreme:. This is done now. Thanks. Tvchannellists (talk) 12:06, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Is it possible again? IceCoolExtreme (talk) 6 November 2021 4:17 AM

Hi @IceCoolExtreme:. Done. Thanks. Tvchannellists (talk) 02:28, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Tvchannellists:. Is it possible again? IceCoolExtreme (talk) 7 November 2021 1:49 AM

Hi @IceCoolExtreme:. I've cleared the images/pages for deletion with the exception of the flag images. As listings from additional countries may be added by contributors in the future, these icons/images should remain irrespective whether they are currently being used or not. Thanks. Tvchannellists (talk) 02:19, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Tvchannellists: Ok, Is it possible again? IceCoolExtreme (talk) 8 November 2021 3:08 AM

Sorry. I missed your last message. This has been done now. Tvchannellists (talk) 04:23, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Tvchannellists: Ok, Is it possible again? ThanksIceCoolExtreme (talk) 29 November 2021 3:01 AM

Hi @IceCoolExtreme: This has been done now. Thanks. Tvchannellists (talk) 23:53, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Tvchannellists: Ok, Is it possible again? ThanksIceCoolExtreme (talk) 22 December 2021 1:32 AM

Hi @IceCoolExtreme: This has been done now. Thanks. Tvchannellists (talk) 00:50, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Additional Admin Position

Hello TVCL contributors! TVCL is now recruiting for an additional admin and we thought we'd search on-site first. If you're interested, please write a response to this message as to why you would like to be an admin and why you think you would make a good admin for TVCL. The intention is that one additional admin will be chosen. Thank you. Tvchannellists (talk) 09:27, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Fat files

Hello, could you please delete all previous revisions of:

Thanks! --Rat in a cage (talk) 07:59, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

For these as well:

Thanks --Rat in a cage (talk) 16:15, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

This has been done now. Thanks. Tvchannellists (talk) 01:56, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

External Link Suggestion for Samsung TV Plus USA Channels

Hi, I posted a request on the [| List of Samsung TV Stations] talk page regarding a proposed external link to a printable version available on my website. Please advise? Also, it should be noted there is also a Samsung TV Plus list for Canada and the UK, so I added "USA" to the title. Just want to make sure my edits are above board. Finally, would you be interested in teaming up at all? I noticed you're looking for another admin and perhaps I could help the cause? Respectfully, Darryl G, Founder, PrintTVchannels.com (talk) 22:42, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi @HelpfulGuy: Thanks for your contributions; however, as per the site's policies, self-promotion is not permitted. Given the site's policies, we're not looking to team up to promote products on other websites. Tvchannellists (talk) 01:44, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Cloudflare issues

The site has been a bit slow and/or timing out lately. This appears to be an issue with the Cloudflare configuration. We are looking into the situation and trying to resolve the issues. Tvchannellists (talk) 13:08, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Noticed the same type of slowdown today on a local forum I visit, which is also on Cloudflare. --Rat in a cage (talk) 15:27, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

https://www.cloudflarestatus.com/incidents/qz5m74q8q0jl Tvchannellists (talk) 22:04, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Apple TV+

Could you please delete the following file: File:Apple TV+.png? POWERStarz2004 (talk) 14:14, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

@POWERStarz2004: Done. Tvchannellists (talk) 14:44, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Migration to NGINX

We're intending to move the server from Apache to NGINX on the 18th of December to try to improve site performance. There should be no difference to how you use the website, although there might be a slight bit of downtime. There won't be any risk of data loss as a full backup will be undertaken beforehand and it's a relatively drag-and-drop transition. If you experience any issues following the migration, please let us know on this page. Thanks. Tvchannellists (talk) 21:51, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

File

Please restore this file File:TV Kanal 9.png. Thanks --Rat in a cage (talk) 08:15, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Sure. Done. Tvchannellists (talk) 09:57, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

TNTSAT MISSING

Hello. looks like TNTSAT is missing. similar to the list on yhus page but not quite.

https://www.tvchannellists.com/w/List_of_channels_on_Digital_Terrestrial_Television_in_France

1-27 are the ssme but after yhat it us different.

31 Paris Premiere 32 Canal+ Sport 33 Canal+ 40 France 24 rn Français 41 Euronews France 42 TV5 Monde France Belgique Suisse 301 France 3 Alpes (SD) 302 France 3 Alsace (SD) 303 France 3 Aquitaine (SD) 304 France 3 Auvergne (SD) 305 France 3 BNotmandie (SD) 306 France 3 Bourgogne (SD) 307 France 3 Bretagne (SD) 308 France 3 Centre (SD) 309 France 3 Champ Ardenne (SD) 310 France 3 Corseviastella (SD) 311 France 3 C'Ôte D'Azur (SD) 312 France 3 Franche Comte (SD) 313 France 3 HNormandie (SD) 314 France 3 Languedocrou (SD) 315 France 3 Limousin (SD) 316 France 3 Lorraine (SD) 317 France 3 Midi Pyrenees (SD) 318 France 3 Nord PDC (SD) 319 France 3 Paris IDF (SD) 320 France 3 Pays De La Loire (SD) 321 France 3 Picardie (SD) 322 France 3 Poitouchar (SD) 323 France 3 Prov Aples (SD) 324 France 3 Rhône Alpes (SD)

Radio

100 France Culture 101 France Musique 102 FIP 103 France Info 104 France Inter 105 France Bleu 106 Mouv' 108 Radio France International 110 Europe 1 111 Virgin Radio 112 RFM 113 RTL 114 RTL 2 115 Fun Radio 117 NRJ 118 Cherie FM 119 Rire & Chansons 120 Nostalgie 123 Sud Radio 124 TSF Jazz 125 Radio Nova 126 Radio FG 128 Contact FM 130 Jazz Radio 131 Skyrock 132 Radio Classique 134 Oui FM 137 Radio Notre Dame 140 Beur FM 143 BBC World Service English Europe 144 BBC World Service Arabic

All TV is HD unless stated in brackets.

Think we need separate page for this satellite platform available via Astra 19.2 East. NB NOT to be confused with Fransat which is separate on 5 West.

Jimbo2017 • 💬 (🧊⛏️) 16:27, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you.

It's done, => List of channels on TNT SAT . Flowering (talk) 18:52, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

@Flowering: Thanks for helping to put that together, Flowering! Tvchannellists (talk) 08:54, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Hotel Lineups

Hello there! I'm new to this site but I've found this site to be such a wonderful resource for knowing more about TV across the world.

I have a question for anyone reading this. I don't have much channel lineups to contribute but I do have enough and that includes lineups that I've saved from... hotels. Yes, every time I've stayed at a hotel, I've saved each and every lineup. I believe I have eleven with me but I'm not sure where I would put them, if I was to contribute to them. Let me know and thanks.

--TheRolyPoly (talk) 23:34, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

@TheRolyPoly: Hi and welcome to the site! You could make a hotel listings index page and then link to all the individual listings from there. Thanks. Tvchannellists (talk) 00:04, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

@tvchannellists: Where would I put it? Put it under other municipal/private or create a whole new page for it? --TheRolyPoly (talk) 00:40, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello @TheRolyPoly: There already exists a page for municipal and private providers in the U.S., though hotel and motel listings may require their own section... CPLANAS1985 (Male • USA • T • C • TW • IG • FB) 05:31, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

@CPLANAS1985: See that's what I was trying to figure out. Can a section like that be created and then I can post my channel lineups there? --TheRolyPoly (talk) 05:41, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

@TheRolyPoly: They would go into municipal and private providers since hotels are already mentioned... For hotels and motels, you may have to provide more specific information regarding location... CPLANAS1985 (Male • USA • T • C • TW • IG • FB) 12:17, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

@CPLANAS1985: I have a Super 8 lineup from Gainesville (hotel; via Cox) and several Cabana Beach Apartments Gainesville (apartments; via Cox) too for example. TheRolyPoly (talk) 17:33, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

@TheRolyPoly: I see... Perhaps they will require their own section... Let me see what I can do... CPLANAS1985 (Male • USA • T • C • TW • IG • FB) 22:21, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

@TheRolyPoly: I have a new section for you (List of Hotel and Motel Cable lineups in the United States)... You'll want to try to be as specific as you can and in table form like other sections... And if you can provide a link to the source material, that will also be helpful and much appreciated... CPLANAS1985 (Male • USA • T • C • TW • IG • FB) 22:39, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

@CPLANAS1985: There wouldn't be any links as they come from me and my own viewing over the years. Like, I would channel surf every channel available and type them as I go. I would mention too if channels are in widescreen or in some other format or quality. TheRolyPoly (talk) 01:16, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

@TheRolyPoly: You may be able to upload an image or document that helps with the pages as well, if and when possible... CPLANAS1985 (Male • USA • T • C • TW • IG • FB) 21:11, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Empty trash

Could you empty the basket? https://www.tvchannellists.com/w/Category:Candidates_for_deletion IceCoolExtreme (talk) 29 January 2022 12:27 AM

Aside from this, please delete the earlier revisions of File:Orlando.svg and File:Bambino.svg as well. Thanks. --Rat in a cage (talk) 13:58, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

@IceCoolExtreme: Sorry for the delay in replying. My notifications haven't been working. I've deleted the pages. I'll get to the images when I have a chance. Thanks. Tvchannellists (talk) 00:02, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

@IceCoolExtreme: The deletions are done now. Tvchannellists (talk) 00:31, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

New article: Macau Cable TV

Good day! I would like to propose a new article for Macau Cable TV, which provides pay TV services solely to residents of the Macau SAR. I believe there is sufficient basic information (channel names, genres, LCNs, additional details) for the creation of this article. Thank you for addressing my concern. Johnny Mike (talk) 15:09, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

@Johnny Mike: Hi! Sorry for the delay in replying. My notifications haven't been working. Sure, if you have the information to create the page, feel free to do so and you can add a link to it on the front page once the listing is complete. Thanks. Tvchannellists (talk) 23:54, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Hotel listings.

I'm not sure these channel lists meet the TVCL standards and would consider them for deletion:

What do you guys think? -- TattooedLeprechaun • (🗣️Talk) 15:53, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

@TattooedLeprechaun: May I ask you what's wrong with it? I'm willing to fix whatever is needed to be fixed. --TheRolyPoly (talk) 18:55, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

@TheRolyPoly: In my own personal opinion, these are what I consider issues:

• It's too specific for one hotel. If there was a general version for all Travelodges or Super 8s or Best Westerns, etc., it would suit better. It's like

It's like adding (imitated) analogue channels that are available on Virgin Media Ireland to a very small group of apartments (my old apartment had this). Does it provide any benefit to the site.

• There's personal comments on the channel list too. They can be added as HTML comments instead with (!-- --> (Replace ( as < )

• If the channel list is not ready, one can use a sandbox. You could add one here: User:TheRolyPoly/Sandbox or set it as a specific list User:TheRolyPoly/Sandbox/List of Travelodge channels (Fort Myers, 11/21/2017)

^{-- TattooedLeprechaun} _(talk) ^{• 🔗🌲 (Linktree/Socials)} 02:32, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

@TattooedLeprechaun: I appreciate that. Let me respond on a list, the same way you did.

• They have to be specific since each hotel has a different cable or satellite provider for TV services. Unfortunately, they're not the same everywhere. It may be the same in the same city, but its not the same in the same branded hotel across the country. Ex., the Super 8 in Gainesville is not the same as Super 8 in Fort Myers because Cox is not available in Fort Myers, thus Super 8 in Fort Myers uses DISH Network. Its really hard to have the same lineups in every place. Its more common for it to be like this than you may think. I know... because I've been in 12 hotel stays so far and each one has been completely different and surprising.

• I'm willing to remove those personal comments. Let me know where and I'm willing to get rid of them. Its just that some situations required some notes because some channels do work and some don't. Its unfortunate but in every stop I've been at, there's always been a channel that didn't work or was very grainy to pick up. It has to be mentioned because its important. You may expect something and yet, it doesn't work. Plus, some of those lineups are from years ago and may have changed to include channels that have moved or that have since gone defunct like NBCSN for example.

• May you show me where a channel list wasn't ready? Because all the channel lists are in full and are fully posted on the site. Nothing is missed.

Let me know. I've written everything down on Notepads and just typed them over to the site. That's why I asked questions before I posted them so this could be avoided but its okay because, as I've mentioned, I'm willing to fix whatever is wrong with them. I provided the most accurate information to the best of my ability. --TheRolyPoly (talk) 03:10, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

@TheRolyPoly: It would be like if I was to create a television provider and used it only for me, and put it on the site. With List of Dish Network channels, Dish has 8.42 million in the USA. List of channels on Sky Q (United Kingdom & Ireland), Sky has 13.4 million customers. These, I feel warrant a channel list.

With Travelodge, they have 31,005 rooms over 435 properties (in the USA), that's an average 72 rooms per property. These lists you've created only reach 72 people (on average), with potentially out of date information.

If the list was for all (e.g.) Travelodges with 31,005 potential people/rooms, I think that would warrant a list.

What do you think admins: @Rat in a cage:, @Tvchannellists:, @Branch:, @Kalman2007:? If the admins think it's fine, well, there's really nothing I can do.

^{-- TattooedLeprechaun} _(talk) ^{• 🔗🌲 (Linktree/Socials)} 14:25, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

@TattooedLeprechaun: I wish it was that much easier. Unforuntately, every location you go to will be different, not just because of the local stations, but because every location uses a different cable or satellite provider. Not one lineup is unfortunately the same. You'll see a hotel only carrying local channels but also a hotel carrying Spectrum channels or a hotel carrying DirecTV channels. Hotels don't have a national contract with cable or satellite providers because they know that each location is different.

I wish I could help you on that end, but that's how hotel lineups are built in this country, the same way general cable lineups are. Trust me, if there was one set national lineup for a specific hotel (Examples: Super 8 or Hilton), then there would only be one page. But its not how the hotel industry works and I'm only here to provide what I can with what I saw. I'm curious myself as to why its like that. --TheRolyPoly (talk) 18:04, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi @TattooedLeprechaun: and @TheRolyPoly:. Personally, I'm happy for the aforementioned listings to stay on the site. In terms of reach of those listings, it might be 72 people on average at a time, but as they're hotels, they'd have high turnover with guests constantly changing, so it'd have a much higher reach than that. The apartment example isn't directly comparable, given apartments generally have long-term tenants. And, @TheRolyPoly:, I appreciate the effort that you've put into putting together these listings. Tvchannellists (talk) 18:21, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

@Tvchannellists: Thank you very much. I appreciate that. This has become one of my newest favorite sites on the internet today and I appreciate you guys putting this whole site all together. Its become a serious reference site for me and I can't wait to contribute further to its growth. --TheRolyPoly (talk)

Restoring

Please store File:CineStar_TV_Premiere_1_HD.svg and File:CineStar_TV_Premiere_2_HD.svg. Thanks. --Rat in a cage (talk) 10:13, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

User vandalising me

The user Portocalbiu2008 created an account here just to create fake pages and vandalise my profile and my IPTV list. Can something please be done ASAP? Novotab51 (talk)

@Novotab51: Thanks for your message and for reporting the vandalism. A block has been applied to Portocalbiu2008. Tvchannellists (talk) 16:52, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Visual Editor

Does this wiki have the Visual Editor? It doesn't seem to have that feature and I wouldn't mind having it added because to me editing is easier with the visual editor. 100youtubesubsc (talk) 05:03, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

@100youtubesubsc: It was turned off due to the large size of the tables on this Wiki causing issues. What you can do is create it on a user sandbox page on Wikipedia with VisualEditor and then copy the code over to TVCL once it's done. Tvchannellists (talk) 05:40, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Fios Listings

The Verizon FiOS lineups need to be updated with some of their newer tv packages. I put a notice at the top of the page to reflect that. I initially was hesitant because so few people were on those packages, but I think if we remove the defunct Custom TV, we should have room to add More TV and Most TV while still keeping Preferred, Extreme, and Ultimate. I can take care of this in the next week or two. If anyone has thoughts on this, let me know! Also, sorry I was offline for so long-- I thought I had email notifications turned on but I didn't! Now I'll get notified when I'm tagged :) Branch (talk) 02:26, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Branch: No worries at all and welcome back. Just a note also that email notifications don't always work, unfortunately. Tvchannellists (talk) 02:30, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Well, I got that email, so that's a start! Branch (talk) 02:41, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Merging pages and/or categories

@Tvchannellists: Hello again... If I wanted or needed to merge two or more pages or categories, how would I go about doing that??? CPLANAS1985 (Male • USA • T • C • IG • FB) 13:56, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

@CPLANAS1985: Hi! Let us know what pages you want to merge (and why), and we can help. Thanks! Branch (talk) 13:52, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

@Branch: Hello... Good Monday... Absolutely... Category:Cable Channel Lineups in North Dakota and Category:Cable Channel Lineups in South Dakota to a new category page: Category:Cable Channel Lineups in the Dakotas (the lattermost NOT yet created as of this reply)... Fewer markets, smaller population centers and more rural geography than most other states... Thanks!!! CPLANAS1985 (Male • USA • T • C • IG • FB)

@CPLANAS1985: Thanks. This has been done now. Tvchannellists (talk) 00:12, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

@Branch: NO... Thank you!!! CPLANAS1985 (Male • USA • T • C • IG • FB) 22:32, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Discord server

Hello there. I'm just curious if the site would ever adopt a Discord server? That way, it would not only be easier to communicate but also faster to respond to any of our questions that we may have, thus creating a much more robust and faster response and experience to use.

This site has since become my go to resource for television lineups (I've been contributing a lot to the hotel/motel sections and uploading logos on the site) and I can't highly recommend it enough for broadcasting nerds like myself. TheRolyPoly (talk) 14:11, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

We have a slack channel for admins. I suppose we could make one of the channels public to members. Other admins can chime in on this. Branch (talk) 14:12, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

Happy to have a public channel if there's demand for it. Tvchannellists (talk) 00:10, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Article removal request: "List of channels on i-CABLE"

Good day. I would like to request for the removal of the following article:

Article name: "List of channels on i-CABLE"

Article link: https://www.tvchannellists.com/w/List_of_channels_on_i-CABLE

Reason: The article is old, redundant (there already exists another regularly updated article covering the Hong Kong pay TV provider) & it hasn't been updated in years.

Thank you for your consideration. Johnny Mike (talk) 08:04, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

@Johnny Mike: For incomplete listings, our usual method is to keep them off the main page whilst they're worked on. As such, I've removed it from the front page for now but have retained the page in case someone wants to update it in the future. Tvchannellists (talk) 23:52, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

@Tvchannellists: The article that was in the main page was more complete. I was referring to @Sebastiandoe5's article, which was originally produced on 29 October 2019 (check the page history). The aforementioned article that you removed (which was created by @Mraandthebigbrother) is significantly more complete, comprehensive & more recent. I hope I have clarified my earlier request. Johnny Mike (talk) 13:58, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

@Johnny Mike: Thanks for clarifying. I have reverted the main page and deleted the page you linked to. Tvchannellists (talk) 00:33, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

Correction to Main Page listings

On another note, I would like to suggest a correction for the Main Page. Boxer (Sweden) is a terrestrial pay TV provider, not a cable TV provider as suggested. Thanks. Johnny Mike (talk) 08:12, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

@Johnny Mike: Thanks. This has been updated now. The Main Page isn't protected so you can make such changes yourself also. Tvchannellists (talk) 23:49, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

@TVchannellists: Thank you for responding to my request, will take note of your reply. Johnny Mike (talk) 14:01, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

Empty trash

Could you empty the basket? https://www.tvchannellists.com/w/Category:Candidates_for_deletion

IceCoolExtreme (talk) 3 May 2022.

@IceCoolExtreme: This has been done now, except for the "Cable Channel Lineups in 19xx" pages, as we haven't heard back from @CPLANAS1985: regarding whether he agrees with the proposed deletions from TattooedLeprechaun. Tvchannellists (talk) 03:33, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

@Tvchannellists: Why were some of the Showtime channels' logos deleted when there is no replacement for it on the site? I see the logos for Showtime and Showtime 2 are still on it, yet the others like Showtime Extreme and Showtime Next for example, are deleted and no replacement for it? I uploaded them since they weren't available. I'm astonished. --TheRolyPoly (talk) 23:00, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

@TheRolyPoly: Hi TheRolyPoly. There are usually hundreds of image deletion requests when I do the deletions so I don't usually have time to review the individual reasons for the deletion requests. I only know that the request was put through by IceCoolExtreme. I have reverted the deletions for the Showtime logos. Checking back on it now, there was no reason listed for the deletion request for those logos, so you'd have to ask @IceCoolExtreme: to explain. Tvchannellists (talk) 23:25, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

@TheRolyPoly: When I checked they were not used. IceCoolExtreme (talk) 4 May 2022.

@IceCoolExtreme: That wasn't true. I used those logos for the hotel/cable lineups. --TheRolyPoly (talk) 08:47, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

@Tvchannellists: The Showcase logo hasn't been returned though. --TheRolyPoly (talk) 08:50, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

@TheRolyPoly: This has been restored now also. Thanks. Tvchannellists (talk) 09:35, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

@Tvchannellists: Could you empty the basket? https://www.tvchannellists.com/w/Category:Candidates_for_deletion IceCoolExtreme (talk) 15:57, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

@IceCoolExtreme: Sorry. I've been a bit short on time lately. I'll get to this soon. Tvchannellists (talk) 15:14, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

@IceCoolExtreme: This has been done now. Tvchannellists (talk) 10:25, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

@Tvchannellists: Could you empty the basket? https://www.tvchannellists.com/w/Category:Candidates_for_deletion IceCoolExtreme (talk) 19:03, 07 August 2022 (UTC)

@IceCoolExtreme: This has been done now. Tvchannellists (talk) 10:45, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

@Tvchannellists: Could you empty the basket? https://www.tvchannellists.com/w/Category:Candidates_for_deletion

IceCoolExtreme (talk) 14:35, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

@IceCoolExtreme: All done. Tvchannellists (talk) 15:08, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Cruise Channel logo

Can the following logo please be restored:

File:The Cruise Channel.png

? POWERStarz2004 (talk) 14:53, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

Done. Tvchannellists (talk) 15:02, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

Decline of useful contributions

Is it just me, or are most edits now fictional lists? --Rat in a cage (talk) 15:22, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Is there a such example that contributes to this question? Trying to figure our what's fictional. ~~ TheRolyPoly (talk) 16:04, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

My vonttibution of BT Sport Extra 2-6 ok n SjybGladsnis gdnuive. i can aldo confurm the itv rrgions are available on 5001-5017. So the abswer to your wuedtion is No. Not awsre if fuctiondl lists here. Hope that gelps.

(My contributions of BT Sport Extra 2-6 on Sky Glass is genuine. I can also confirm the ITV regions are available on 5001-5017. So the answer to your question is No. Not aware of fictional lists here. Hope that helps)

Jimbo2017 (talk) 17:04, 21 May 2022 (UTC) [Clarification by TattooedLeprechaun (talk) 19:09, 29 May 2022 (UTC)]

I think he's referring to the user sandboxes. POWERStarz2004 (talk) 17:09, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

@POWERStarz2004: Yes. They take up most of the recent changes now. --Rat in a cage (talk) 21:54, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Hmm... okay. Also @Jimbo2017: I can't understand your grammar and spelling so its hard to understand the root of the problem your taking about. --TheRolyPoly (talk) 18:56, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Delete account.

Hi, can I please request my account be deleted. Thanks. TattooedLeprechaun (talk) 11:12, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

@TattooedLeprechaun: Hi. Since you've made edits since your deletion request and in case you change your mind, we'll leave your account as is for now. Thanks Tvchannellists (talk) 12:18, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

Please delete my account. Failing to do so is in direct breach of GDPR's "Right to be forgotten". Please delete my account regardless if I make edits. Thank you. TattooedLeprechaun (talk) 17:19, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

@TattooedLeprechaun: Somehow I don't think this will be your last incarnation here. --Rat in a cage (talk) 18:13, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

@Rat in a cage: Nah, I'm done. I'm going to focus more of other stuff and family. I don't have free time for this any more, tbh. TattooedLeprechaun (talk) 19:05, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

@TattooedLeprechaun: No worries. If you're sure, I'll go ahead and delete your account now. Thanks your contributions. Tvchannellists (talk) 23:50, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

New Article

TVChannelLists, i had this idea for making list of line-up changes on shaw direct and i want to make it a reality, can you please make the page?

Anyone can make a new page. Just type the name of the page you want to create into the search box, press enter and then it'll prompt you to make a new page. Tvchannellists (talk) 15:14, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Fictional Lineups

TVChannelLists, hey how's it going?! Listen, I have a question. Is there a place here on on my user page where I can post fictional cable lineups? In my imagination, I created a fictional cable company called The CableSystem (unrelated to the real-life provider which is now Buckeye Broadband) and I have local cable lineups of every local market in the United States. My question is where can I put them and showcase them? I'm okay putting them somewhere within my user page, but if you have a place where I can put them in, I'd appreciate it. Thanks in advance for responding. I appreciate your time. --TheRolyPoly (talk) 21:28, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

@TheRolyPoly:. Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. If it's a fictional list, I think anywhere as long as it's in the User: namespace is OK. Thanks.Tvchannellists (talk) 10:17, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

400 ERROR

Hi.

ttied to contact your team earlier regarding an access fault.

i can use the sute in incognito mide on chrome but not on any other browser.

you get a 400 error when accessing via other brows

rs. sone work without logging in. some will not allow desktop mode.

the error displayed isPlease can you sort this as soon as possible.

400 Bad Request Request Header Or Cookie Too Large nginx/1.18.0

thank you.

Jimbo2017 (talk) 22:06, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

@Jimbo2017: Hi, please try again. Thanks. --Rat in a cage (talk) 22:06, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

AI generated channel list problem

So on the page AI generated again I used a random sampling algorithm to generate a channel list. And there's a bit of a problem. Channel '107.1' is RealPlayer of all things. Channel 111.1 is RTE Three and channel 108.2 is Sky Arts 3. Can I upload files for them or not and is this a stupid question? ArchivedTVGuides (talk) 19:04, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi @ArchivedTVGuides:. Apologies for the delay in getting back to you. I don't have any issue with that but if anyone else does, please reply here for discussion. Thanks. Tvchannellists (talk) 10:16, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Old national channel lineup

Hello there @Tvchannellists:. I have an old lineup that features the defunct VOOM satellite company. Where should I go to place that? --TheRolyPoly (talk) 18:20, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

@TheRolyPoly: Should be added on this page and created as something like Archive:List of channels on VOOM --Rat in a cage (talk) 18:26, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Fake listing

Hi, the page List of channels on OLTSCable contains a fake list. --Rat in a cage (talk) 14:43, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

@Rat in a cage: Thanks for that. I have moved the page to the User namespace. Tvchannellists (talk) 15:34, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

User vandalising my cable TV list

Portocalbiu2008 has made a new account and has begun to vandalise my cable TV list once again. Please block him again!

@CristiChiri10: Thanks. A block has been applied. Tvchannellists (talk) 23:04, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Please change the page name

Since the founder of OLTSCable localized the listing, I want the page name to be changed to "List of channels on OLTSCable Claudeni" because I don't know how to and it's pretty hard to.

@CristiChiri10: Done. Tvchannellists (talk) 12:48, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

User vandalising page

Hello, unfortunately, the vandalizing isn't stopping, there's another kid vandalizing and managing the User:TheIdenterRO/List_of_channels_on_Tudeni_IPTV_(official) list without the permission of other members, and he is really getting on my nerves. His username is User:AlessioLupu7, and like I said, he is starting to vandalize that list, just like User:Porto2008/User:Marcu Andrei used to do, so please, take action immediately, and don't let him create any other accounts. CristiChiri10 (talk) 06:57, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

Cristi, am cerut ștergerea contului meu aici Stai calm că din perioada următoare voi înceta să mai "vandalizez" pagina voastră cu contul închis așa că nu mai fi nervos. Am făcut ceea ce e corect. Nu vreau traume mai târziu AlessioLupu7 (talk) 07:11, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

@AlessioLupu7: M-am răzgândit, tu faci chestia corectă, că noi urăm PulseMedia, fă ce poți tu de a vandaliza. CristiChiri10 (talk) 07:23, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

Nu vreau să mai vandalizez lista voastră așa că e ultima discuție pe care o mai avem. Vreau să imi văd de treabă și de brandul Anoide Media. Am considerat că ștergerea contului meu e o responsabilitate și un gest de umanitate *din punctul meu de vedere* pentru că în sfârșit îmi pot trăi copilăria că un copil normal și nu mai vreau să primesc hate să fiu înjurat deoarece am trăit mai multe traume când eram mai mic. Așa că la revedere AlessioLupu7 (talk) 09:27, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

@AlessioLupu7: Frate știu că te vei întoarce, dar nu înseamnă că trebuie să-ți ștergi contul, fii cum vrei, dar nu te atinge de paginele noastre CristiChiri10 (talk) 14:44, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

@CristiChiri10: : I'd like to remind everyone involved that this site was created with the purpose of sharing legitimate channel lists. The large amount of fictional channel list single-purpose accounts that have appeared in recent months has never sit right with me, but the edits did not leave the user namespace; it also serves as good practice for the editor and people could always start contributing with real lists, no big deal. However, the elephant in the room that cannot be ignored is this disruptive clique vandalism that has become more frequent and is a complete waste of administrative time for the site. I'd recommend Discord or Fandom wikis as an alternative for that purpose, please do not use TVCL for this.

regards, --Rat in a cage (talk) 09:47, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

User vandalising once again

Hello, there is a user called Marcu Andrei that vandalizes TV lists, such as deleting the pages and then reverting 1 minute later. He is also called Porto2008 on another account. He has been suspended countless of times because of this, but he keeps making new accounts and doing the same thing. Please block both accounts, and if you get account requests with the usernames that contain "Porto" or "Marcu" again, reject them, we don't want this guy on this website again.

Here are the links: https://www.tvchannellists.com/w/User:Marcu_Andrei
https://www.tvchannellists.com/w/User:Porto2008

Thank you CristiChiri10 (talk) 12:44, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi @CristiChiri10: Thanks for your message. I haven't had much time to monitor TVCL recently. Could you provide some examples of vandalism that has occurred recently from these accounts? Tvchannellists (talk) 12:42, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

@Tvchannellists: Hello again, it's basically that he goes to my and my friends' TV lists, and he adds his own channels, or even deletes the pages entirely, and it is very annoying to both me and my friends. Recently he vandalised the User:CristiChiri10/List of channels on OLTSCable Claudeni list, by doing the same thing I said earlier, and he also did this some time ago to the User:TheIdenterRO/List_of_channels_on_Kaible_(official) list, by moving that page to his own page, and even putting the name "official" in the page name, even if it actually isn't, which made the original owner put that name too to protect his page. So yeah, please block him and his accounts, and don't let him make another one ever again, as I said, we don't want this guy here again. CristiChiri10 (talk) 14:22, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

I haven't paid much attention to the "Porto" etc. accounts, but most contributions by the "Marcu Andrei" account are edits to fantasy channel lists in the userspace (including other users' subpages) and uploads of logos of non-existent TV channels that populate said fantasy lists. Recently, he also made a few unconstructive edits on real channel lists, such as this one, where he deleted historical data without providing an explanation, or one of many that he made on 29 June, where he systematically replaced a channel with another when no actual modifications had taken place in real life. — Afelix (talk) 18:22, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

@Afelix: I saw that one where he edited every channel of TV5 Monde to France 5, but yeah, even if he doesn't edit much on real channel lists, it still disturbs me and my other friends when he edits on our pages in the userspace. You get the point. It's quite random. CristiChiri10 (talk) 15:15, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

User Marcu Andrei It cannot refrain from displaying users who are not logged in to this site on behalf of channel lists. It also makes lists of older channels made by me. For example, this:https://www.tvchannellists.com/w/User:AlessioLupu7/List_of_channels_on_Alcable. I just put it up for deletion because it belonged to me in the past and the channels shown on the list were older. You can check your history. Thanks! AlessioLupu7 (talk) 12:30, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

@AlessioLupu7: Yes Alessio that's right. He always does this and I hate it. CristiChiri10 (talk) 14:12, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

@AlessioLupu7: @Afelix: @CristiChiri10: Apologies for the delay and thank you for you the replies. I will place a block on those accounts. If it happens again, I will place a permanent ban. Tvchannellists (talk) 03:00, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

@Tvchannellists: Thank you very much. This will be a life saver.

Thank! AlessioLupu7 (talk) 06:26, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Bringing back deleted page

Hello, I wanna know if the "User:CristiChiri10:List of channels on OLTSCable Claudeni" is still here, because I want it to be restored so I can review it because it got deleted a while ago

@CristiChiri10: This has been restored now. Tvchannellists (talk) 05:43, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

@Tvchannellists: You deleted it 20 minutes later, I think it was because of the "candidate for deletion" thing above. Just remove that part, everything else is fine.

@CristiChiri10: Apologies. This has been restored now. Tvchannellists (talk) 23:27, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

User vandalising page

Hello, the user TvarchivePorto2008 (stolen name from my YouTube channel, btw) is vandalising the User:Dlphesigns/List_of_channels_on_Kaible page. He has been suspended before for the same reason. Please take action. Novotab51 (talk) 16:19, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Empty trash

@Tvchannellists: Could you empty the basket? https://www.tvchannellists.com/w/Category:Candidates_for_deletion IceCoolExtreme (talk) 18:28, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

@IceCoolExtreme: This has been done now. Tvchannellists (talk) 09:03, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

@Tvchannellists: @Rat in a cage: Could you empty the basket? https://www.tvchannellists.com/w/Category:Candidates_for_deletion IceCoolExtreme (talk) 00:09, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

@IceCoolExtreme: Done. --Rat in a cage (talk) 01:18, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

@Tvchannellists: @Rat in a cage: Could you empty the basket? https://www.tvchannellists.com/w/Category:Candidates_for_deletion IceCoolExtreme (talk) 12:16, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

@Tvchannellists: @Rat in a cage: Could you empty the basket? https://www.tvchannellists.com/w/Category:Candidates_for_deletion IceCoolExtreme (talk) 18:40, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

@IceCoolExtreme: This has been done now. Tvchannellists (talk) 10:55, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

DSTV NEEDS SPLITTING

HILi. There are different channel lists for DStv in South Africa (the primary country if operation), Nigeria and Angola at least.

It is known DStv operates in several African countries but nit certain how different some channel listings are compared to the 3 main. Territories if operation

But three separate pages are required one for each of South Africa Nigeria and Angola.

Nigeria listings (Premium unless stated. Pack shown in brackets if additional to oremium) (via EUTELSAT 36 East)

100 DStv Preview (FTA)
101 M-Net West
105 M-Net Movies 1 West Africa
106 M-Net Movies 2
107 M-Net Movies 3
108 M-Net Movies 4
112 Studio Universal Africa
113 Movie Room
114 Kix
115 Me Channel
117 Universal TV
118 Telemubdo Africa
119 1 Magic West Africa
120 BBC Brit Africa
121 Discovery Channel Africa
122 Comedy Central Africa
124 E! Entertainment TV Africa
127 Ginx eSports TV
128 WWE Channel
129 BET Africa
130 MTV Africa
132 CBS Comedy
133 TLNovelas Europa
135 TLC Africa
136 Discovery Family
137 TNT Africa
141 Manisha Magic Movies
144 Manisha Magic Poa
149 Akwaaba Magic Abusua
150 Akwaaba Magic
151 Africa Magic Showcase Africa
152 Africa Magic Epic
153 Africa Magic Urban
154 Africa Magic Family
155 Real Time Africa
156 Africa Magic Hausa
157 Africa Magic Yoruba
158 Manisha Magic East
159 Africa Magic Igbo
160 Manisha Magic Bongo
161 Pearl Magic
163 Manisha Magic Plus
164 ROK GH
165 Novels Magic
166 Zee World
167 StarLife
168 ROK
169 ROK 2
170 CBS Justice
171 Investigation Discovery Africa
173 Honey
174 BBC Lifestyle Africa
175 Food Network EMEA
181 National Geographic South Africa
182 National Geographic Wild South Africa
183 WikdEarth
185 Curiosity Channel
186 History Africa
189 Pop Central
190 Spice
194 Televista
195 Trybe TV
196 Pop-up 4 (occasional)
197 Pop-up 3 (occasional)
198 Pop-up 2 (occasional) - Africa Magic Holiday Channel
199 Pop-up 1 (occasional)
200 Supersport Blitz Africa
201 Supersport Grandstand Africa
202 Supersport Football Plus Africa
203 Supersport Premier League Africa
204 Supersport LaLiga Africa
205 Supersport Football Africa
206 Supersport Variety 1 Africa
207 Supersport Variety 2 Africa
208 Supersport Variety 3 Africa
209 Supersport Variety 4 Africa
210 Supersport Action Africa
211 Supersport Rugby Africa
212 Supersport Cricket Africa
213 Supersport Golf Africa
214 Supersport Tennis Africa
215 Supersport Motorsport Africa
218 ESPN Africa
219 ESPN 2 Africa
241 Supersport Maximo 1 Africa
242 Supersport Maximo 2 Africa
244 Supersport OTT1
245 Supersport OTT5
246 Supersport OTT2
247 Supersport OTT3
248 Supersport OTT4
251 NTA International
252 Silverbird TV
253 AIT International
256 Lagos TV
257 OnMax
258 Galaxy TV
259 Wazobia Max TV Nigeria
260 Ogun State Television
261 Arewa 24
262 Wap TV
275 K24
296 Wasafi TV
301 Cartoon Network Africa
302 Boomerang Africa
303 Disney Channel South Africa
304 DreamWorks TV MENA
305 Nickelodeon Africa
306 CBeebies Africa
307 Nick Junior Africa
308 NickToons Africa
309 Disney Junior South Africa
310 Jim Jam Europe
313 PBS Kids
314 Moonbug Kids
318 Da Vinci
319 Mindset Learn
322 MTV Base Africa
323 Trace Mziki
325 Trace Naina
326 Africa Music Pop
327 SoundCity TV Africa
328 Urban TV
332 Trace Gospel English Speaking Africa
333 Trace Jana
334 Trace Muzika
341 Faith Africa
342 Daystar TV
343 TBN Africa
345 SBN International
347 Islam Channel
348 EWTN Africa Asia
349 Dove TV Nigeria
350 Lumen Christi Catholic TV
351 Sunna TV Saudi Arabia
352 Dominion TV Ghana
363 Citi TV
369 NTA 2
370 NTA Parliament
390 Emmanuel TV
391 JKD TV
392 ASO TV
393 Tozali TV
394 Teen Africa
399 AYV TV Channel 33
400 BBC World News Africa
401 CNN International Europe
402 Sky News International
405 Newzroom Africa
406 Al-Jazeera English
408 Plus TV Africa
409 CGTN
410 CNBC Africa
411 Bloomberg Television Africa
413 NDTV 24x7
414 Euronews English
416 Arise News
417 AfricaNews
418 TVC News
420 Channels TV
421 Joy News
422 News Central
430 RAI Italia Africa
431 NHK World Japan
438 Euronews Français
444 CCTV Entertainment
445 Euronews Deutsch
446 Deutsche Welle TV
447 CCTV4 Europe
448 CGGN Documentary
449 CGTN Français
450 SET Asia (Indian pack) 451 B4U Movies UK
452 Zee TV Africa (Indian pack)
457 Sony Max UK (Indian pack)
525 RTP International
680 TV Mundial
720 Canal+ Première Centre (French Plus pack)
721 Canal+ Cinéma Centre (French Plus pack)
722 Novellas TV (French Plus pack)
723 Canal+ Sport 2 (French Plus pack)
724 Canal+ Sport 3 (French Plus pack)
726 IngoSport+ (French Plus pack)
727 TF1 (French Plus pack)
728 France 2 (French Plus pack)
729 A+ (French Plus pack)
732 RTL 9 (French Plus pack)
735 Trace Africa François (French Plus pack)
736 France 24 Français (French Plus pack)
740 Planète + (French Plus pack)
744 TéléToon Africa (French Plus pack)
745 Piwi + (French Plus pack)
751 DMX - Adult Contemporary
752 DMX - Today's Hits
753 DMX - Y2K Hits
754 DMX - 70s Hits
755 DMX - 80s Hits
756 DMX - 90s Hits
757 DMX - Soft Hits
758 DMX - Love Songs
759 DMX - Metro Blend
760 DMX - Cityscapes
761 DMX - Groove Lounge
762 DMX - House Party
763 DMX - Power Hits
764 DMX - Dance
765 DMX - Trots Afrikaans
766 DMX - Campus Rock
767 DMX - Alternative Rock
768 DMX - Hard Rock
769 DMX - Classic Rock
770 DMX - Golden Ondies
772 DMX - Classic R&B
773 DMX - Urban Adult Contemporary
774 DMX - Urban Beat
775 DMX - Reggae
776 DMX - Modern Country
777 DMX - Traditional Coubtry
778 DMX - Gospel
779 DMX - African Rhythms
780 DMX - Italian Contemporary
781 DMX - Smooth Jazz
782 DMX - Jazz
783 DMX - Blues
784 DMX - Beautiful Instrumentals
785 DMX - Contemporary Instrumentals
786 DMX - New Age
787 DMX - Light Classical
788 DMX - Arias & Overtures
789 DMX - Chamber Music
790 DMX - Symphonic
950 Supersport OTT6
951 Supersport OTT7
952 Supersport OTT8

Temporary renamed channels for World Cup

202 Supersport World Cup Central Africa
203 Supersport World Cup Naija
204 Supersport World Cup Select 1 Africa
205 Supersport World Cup Fan Zone Africa
206 Supersport World Cup Select 2 Africa

The rest stay the same.

South Africa listing (via INTELSSAT 20 at 68.5 East)

100 DStv Preview
101 M-Net South Africa
103 1 Magic South Africa 104 M-Net Movies 1
106 M-Net Movies 2
107 M-Net Movies 3
108 M-Net Movies 4
112 Studio Universal Africa
113 Movie Room
114 Kix
115 Me Channel
117 Universal TV
118 Telemubdo Africa
119 1 Magic West Africa
120 BBC Brit Africa
121 Discovery Channel Africa
122 Comedy Central Africa
124 E! Entertainment TV Africa
127 Ginx eSports TV
128 WWE Channel
129 BET Africa
130 MTV Africa
132 CBS Comedy
133 TLNovelas Europa
135 TLC Africa
136 Discovery Family
137 TNT Africa
138 E Movies
140 E Movies Extra
141 Manisha Magic Movies
144 KykNet
145 KykNet & Kie
146 KykNet Nou!
147 Via
148 KykNet Lekker!
151 Africa Magic Showcase Africa
152 Africa Magic Epic
153 Africa Magic Urban
154 Africa Magic Family
155 Real Time Africa
157 Moja Love
158 Moja 9.9 TV
160 Zambezi Magic
161 Mzansi Magic
163 Mzansi Wethu
164 Mzansi Bioskop
165 Novels Magic
166 Zee World
167 StarLife
168 ROK
170 CBS Justice
171 Investigation Discovery Africa
173 Honey
174 BBC Lifestyle Africa
175 Food Network EMEA
176 The Home Channel South Africa
177 HGTV Africa
179 Travel Channel Rurope
180 People's Weather
181 National Geographic South Africa
182 National Geographic Wild South Africa
183 WikdEarth
184 BBC Earth Africa
185 Curiosity Channel
186 History Africa
189 Ignition
190 Spice
191 SABC 1
192 SABC 2
193 SABC 3
194 E TV
195 E Extra
196 Pop-up 4 (occasional)
197 Pop-up 3 (occasional)
198 Pop-up 2 (occasional) - Africa Magic Holiday Channel
199 Pop-up 1 (occasional)
200 Supersport Blitz
201 Supersport Grandstand
202 Supersport PSL
203 Supersport Premier League
204 Supersport LaLiga
205 Supersport Football
206 Supersport Variety 1
207 Supersport Variety 2
208 Supersport Variety 3
209 Supersport Variety 4
210 Supersport Action
211 Supersport Rugby
212 Supersport Cricket
213 Supersport Golf
214 Supersport Tennis
215 Supersport Motorsport
216 Supersport 4K 1
217 Supersport 4K 2
218 ESPN Africa
219 ESPN 2 Africa
240 Racing 240
241 Supersport Maximo 1 Africa
242 Supersport Maximo 2 Africa
243 Supersport Play
244 Supersport OTT1
245 Supersport OTT5
246 Supersport OTT2
247 Supersport OTT3
248 Supersport OTT4
251 Soweto TV
260 Mpuma Kapa TV
261 1KZN TV
262 Tshwane TV
263 Cape Town TV
265 Gau TV
275 K24
292 TV Lesotho
296 Wasafi TV
301 Cartoon Network Africa
302 Boomerang Africa
303 Disney Channel South Africa
304 DreamWorks TV MENA
305 Nickelodeon Africa
306 CBeebies Africa
307 Nick Junior Africa
308 NickToons Africa
309 Disney Junior South Africa
310 Jim Jam Europe
311 E Toons
313 PBS Kids
314 Moonbug Kids
318 Da Vinci
319 Mindset Learn
320 Channel O
321 Mzansi Magic Music
322 MTV Base Africa
325 Trace Urban South Africa
326 Trace Urban English
327 SoundCity TV Africa
331 One Gospel
332 Trace Gospel South Africa
340 Dumisa TV
341 Faith Africa
342 Daystar TV
343 TBN Africa
345 INX Prime
347 Hilasl TV
390 Emmanuel TV
400 BBC World News Africa
401 CNN International Europe
402 Sky News International
403 eNews Channel Africa
404 SABC News
405 Newzroom Africa
406 Al-Jazeera English
408 Parliament TV South Africa
409 CGTN
410 CNBC Africa
411 Bloomberg Television Africa
412 BusinessDay TV
413 NDTV 24x7
414 Euronews English
417 AfricaNews
430 RAI Italia Africa
431 NHK World Japan
435 RTP International Ruropa
437 TV5 Monde Afrique
446 Deutsche Welle TV
447 CCTV4 Europe
448 CGGN Documentary
449 CGTN Français
450 SET Asia (Indian pack)
451 B4U Movies UK
452 Zee TV Aftica (Indian pack)
453 Utsav Plus (Indian pack)
454 Sun TV India (Indian pack)
455 Vijay TV (Indian pack)
456 Colors (Indian pack)
457 Sony Max UK (Indian pack)
470 Zee Cinema Africa (Indian pack)
471 WION
515 My Channel Africa
901 M-Net South Africa +1
902 M-Net Terrestrial
903 Supersport CSN
950 Supersport OTT6
951 Supersport OTT7
952 Supersport OTT8

Temporary renamed channels for World Cup

202 Supersport World Cup Central
203 Supersport World Cup Extra
204 Supersport World Cup Select 1
205 Supersport World Cup Fan Zone
206 Supersport World Cup Select 2

The rest stay the same.

Rest if SOUTHERN Africa outside South Africa is as above but with these differences (via Intelsat 20 at 68.5 East)

220 Supersport BlitzvAfruca
221 Supersport Grandstand Africa
222 Supersport Football Plus Africa
223 Supersport Premier League Africa
224 Supersport LaLiga Africa
225 Supersport Football Africa
226 Supersport Variety 1 Africa
227 Supersport Variety 2 Africa
228 Supersport Variety 3 Africa
229 Supersport Variety 4 Africa
230 Supersport Action Africa
231 Supersport Rugby Africa
232 Supersport Cricket Africa
233 Supersport Golf Africa
234 Supersport Tennis Africa
235 Supersport Motorsport Africa

Temporary renamed channels for World Cup

222 Supersport World Cup Central Africa
223 Supersport World Cup Africa
224 Supersport World Cup Select 1 Africa
225 Supersport World Cup Fan Zone Africa
226 Supersport World Cup Select 2 Africa

The rest stay the same.

This is the most accurate list I can find currently.

Sorry but I struggle to put proper list together in correct format. Please could someone make a correctly formatted page with this list. Thank you.

Jimbo2017 (talk) 13:39, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

Change username

Please change the username to tvarchivePorto2008

Hi, Portocalbiu2008. This has been done now. Tvchannellists (talk) 08:36, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Hello please change my username to Porto2008 TvarchivePorto2008 (talk) 17:13, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi. This has been changed now. Tvchannellists (talk) 23:41, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Deletion log

Hi, can someone empty Category:Candidates for deletion please. Thank you. JasonTheJester (talk) 12:53, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

@JasonTheJester: | Removed unused ones. Thanks! --Rat in a cage (talk) 14:47, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Some of them are used but the SVG equivalent is available JasonTheJester (talk) 16:11, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

@JasonTheJester: On that topic, only Newsmax 2021 is a real vector image, the rest are raster images embedded into an SVG (see the image tag in the source and the corresponding base64 encode). Which is less desirable than having an original PNG file. --Rat in a cage (talk) 16:41, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

@Rat in a cage: I looked online for help to understand the difference between a real vector image and raster images embedded into an SVG, but I didn't find anything helpful. I thought an SVG image was just an SVG image. Can you explain what you mean please? Also, I only converted some PNG into SVG because I thought SVG was what's used on TVCL. JasonTheJester (talk) 22:16, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

@JasonTheJester: SVG is just a file extension, it can contain gibberish, the content of the file is what is important.

SVGs by MIME type, unlike other types of image media, are not "binary" files - they are rather plain text (making them "uncompressed" by default) XML files that contain mathematical values for the drawings (real "vector" image). The point is that a logo/image/drawing can be scaled from and up to any size with no loss in quality (ideal for mobile browsing, btw), unlike raster (PNG) images.

For comparison, real vector versus raster (PNG) embedded into an SVG at 500% zoom.

Series.svg, real vector drawing with mathematical values, still crystal clean at a large zoom.

Series_Retro.svg, obviously just a base64 encoded PNG image, pixelated quality loss apparent

Real PNGs > PNG inside SVG because it depends on how different browsers/devices handle the embed, whereas a typical binary png image will display universally across all platforms.

I hope this helps. --Rat in a cage (talk) 11:25, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Perfect thanks. JasonTheJester (talk) 13:53, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Discord server

Hello there. Once again, to @Tvchannellists:, I'm just curious to know if a public Discord server for this site is gaining any traction so that users can exchange ideas, help provide assistance and ask questions to admins for the site. --TheRolyPoly (talk) 01:45, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

@TheRolyPoly: Hi. As far as I'm aware, there's been no one else who's asked for the Discord server. Tvchannellists (talk) 21:18, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

How i create an article?

Tef235 here, how i create an article? I want to create these lists:

TDA (Argentina) Super Mendoza (Argentina) Dibox and INTV (Argentina)

@Tef235: Hi. Just type the name of the page into the search box in the top right. It'll tell you the page doesn't exist and give you a link to create it. Tvchannellists (talk) 15:25, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

@Tvchannellists: Thanks! I am also making Argentine tv guides, but i have a problem in the Flow one and i can't fix it.

Link: List_of_channels_on_Flow_(Argentina)

@Tef235: No problem. I have made some fixes to the table formatting for you. Tvchannellists (talk) 04:18, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

New editing and formatting tools and techniques

Hello @Tvchannellists:... Is there a way to implement a "visual editor" system like that used on Wikipedia??? CPLANAS1985 (Male • USA • T • C • IG • FB • RD) 23:14, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

@CPLANAS1985: Hi. We had an issue with the server and VisualEditor previously. A workaround is to create the page on Wikipedia using VisualEditor (e.g. in a sandbox), then switch to code view and copy that code over to TVCL. Tvchannellists (talk) 23:24, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

@Tvchannellists: What about other features such as a reference or citation creator, NavBox templates, Infobox templates, etc...!?!? CPLANAS1985 (Male • USA • T • C • IG • FB • RD) 23:27, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

@CPLANAS1985: Navbox and infobox templates can be created here too (see Template:Telekom Srbija for a simple navbox example), but with limited functionality and lots of explicitly-repeated CSS (TVCL doesn't use Scribunto and neither does it define any global CSS rules for infoboxes). I would personally love to use references/citations here, though. One of the articles I usually maintain on this wiki uses lots of pseudo-references (manual anchor links) and it'd be nice to be able to include links from a reference back to the actual content without having to manually adjust them every time something changes. (I gave up, so my links are currently unidirectional, meh) — Afelix (talk) 00:23, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

@CPLANAS1985: @Afelix: Good suggestions and this will be considered at some point, but for now, we/I have the inevitable problem of a lack of... time (alongside a lack of energy). Predictable and generic excuse, I know, but I think our activity levels show the lack of an ability to commit at the moment at the very least. --Rat in a cage (talk) 00:31, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

@Rat in a cage: Perhaps we could accelerate the process by inviting people (including those with advanced knowledge and/or experience with Wikipedia, Fandom and/or MediaWiki) and to the site and get the word out about TVCL and raise awareness... What do you think??? CPLANAS1985 (Male • USA • T • C • IG • FB • RD)

Category:Pages with broken file links

~~On Category:Pages with broken file links, there is List of channels on Diaspora TV (Romania), but there is no images missing. Is this an error? JasonTheJester (talk) 12:36, 3 March 2023 (UTC)~~

Fixed. The issue was a space:
|style="background-color:green;color:white" | 16:9 Auto
needed to be
| style="background-color:green;color:white" | 16:9 Auto (etc.)
-- JasonTheJester (talk) 13:58, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

@JasonTheJester: It's highly likely that a simple null edit would have resolved this (I was about to suggest that, but you edited your comment in the meantime).

Also, not seeing the urgency in this where multiple question marks and mass pings are required? --Rat in a cage (talk) 14:01, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

That's why I deleted it. Also, I had be waiting since last Friday for a reply. @Rat in a cage:. JasonTheJester (talk) 14:05, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

DELETED SECONDARY CHANNELS ON SKY Q PAGE

Tried restoring the list if secondary channels as they appear to have been removed. If you click 'can be found here' to he page it goes yo has been marked for deletion and should not be as the secondary channels in the 800 range are still very much present

Please restore the channel list.

Thank you

The most recent version with all channels on appears to be thus

https://www.tvchannellists.com/w/Template:List_of_secondary,_regional_and_time_shift_channels_on_Sky_Q_(United_Kingdom_%26_Ireland)

But the URL the secondary channels point yo us

https://www.tvchannellists.com/wiki/index.php?title=List_of_secondary,_regional_and_time_shift_channels_on_Sky_Q_(United_Kingdom_%26_Ireland)&redirect=no

Correct link should be

https://www.tvchannellists.com/wiki/index.php?title=List_of_secondary,_regional_and_time_shift_channels_on_Sky_Q_(United_Kingdom_%26_Ireland)&redirect=yes

Please can someone correct thus. I have tried but cannot. Thank you.

Jimbo2017 (talk) 14:55, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Has this already been resolved now? I looked at the 'can be found here' links and they don't seem to go to a deleted page at the moment. Tvchannellists (talk) 07:35, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

My apologies. This issue can now be closed. The error was fixed yesterday. Thank you. Jimbo2017 (talk) 08:56, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

How i create an Userbox?

Or if you can make a Flow (Argentina) user userbox --Tef235 (talk | contributions) 19:03, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Can you please delete duplicate files

@Tvchannellists, can you please delete duplicate files. Yours sincerely, Bas. --TechGeek105 (talk) 09:54, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

@TechGeek105: Sure. If you can provide me with a list of the files to be deleted, I can do that for you. Tvchannellists (talk) 13:23, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

@Tvchannellists, only File:Msnbc-logo-card.png, to delete. Yours sincerely, Bas. --TechGeek105 (talk) 08:18, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

@TechGeek105: Done. Thanks. Tvchannellists (talk) 03:51, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Idea: Categories

That it would make it easier to navigate the site, i added one for Argentina.

And also, how i add a template on a page? The template: Template:Argentina Tef235 (talk | contributions) 20:17, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

MTS Tyumen(russia)channel list is not correct

The MTS Tyumen package is not correct,most of the channels are not there.I have fact-checked it through the official Tyumen MTS page(https://tyumen.mts.ru/personal/dlya-doma/tarifi/tv-paket/regioni-bazoviy-072015-ctv/tyumen-city Don't translate it to English if you're on PC,because it will mess up the names of some channels,for example:the TV channel SPAS(СПАС),will be translated into Saved(the literal translation of it) etc. Please smb fix it,bc i don't have much free time to do it(if nobody fixes it,I'll eventually do it myself).Thank you for reading.

ToNoAvail.

I couldn't be bothered to add more channels, sorry -CristiChiri10

I want to change my name

Greeting! I would like to change my name from Mushimoon to AlessioLupu7. How could I do it or if you want you can change that for me! Mushimoon (talk) 09:20, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello. This has been done. Tvchannellists (talk) 11:15, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Pluto TV Canada - Temporary Channels

Hello, I just heard that there are channels on Pluto TV Canada that are temporary. Can someone add these in? MW2007 (talk) 23:23, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

I made a very detailed terrestrial television in Armenia page.

The title says it for itself. you can check the page if you want. please add it to the front page. https://www.tvchannellists.com/w/Terrestrial_television_in_Armenia ah frick i forgor to sign this ToNoAvail (talk)ToNoAvail

@ToNoAvail: Thanks for your contribution. The protection on the front page was removed a while back, so you should be able to add listings to the front page yourself now. Tvchannellists (talk) 11:36, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

how do i create a sandbox page

how do i create a sandbox page?

email NOT WORKING

Please can you fix this

Whenever I send you an email I get thus error message.

The following addresses failed:

  admin@tvchannellists.com
     host host.tvchannellists.com [67.222.30.118]
     SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:<admin@tvchannellists.com>:
     454 4.7.1 <admin@tvchannellists.com>: Relay access denied:
     retry timeout exceeded

This has been the case now for months. If anyone list their password they would be stuck as nobody could help.

Thank you hope you can sort this as soon as possible. Jimbo2017 (talk) 23:15, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

@Jimbo2017: Thanks for letting us know. The email address is administered by @Rat in a cage:; hopefully he'll be able to look into it. Tvchannellists (talk) 13:19, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

@Jimbo2017: Not a global issue. I need more details regarding how you are sending the emails (from which address, which e-mail client, which provider)

Regards,

-Rat in a cage (talk) 15:32, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Taking a second look at this I have reproduced. I'll look into it and let you know. --Rat in a cage (talk) 15:51, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Jimbo2017:, please try again. It should work now. --Rat in a cage (talk) 16:04, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

The end of TVCL for me

Hello I decided to close the TVCL account because I want to see my life and my friends and what's around me, not just live in virtual. This is because several users hate me, I want to take responsibility for what I did. I don't want to name those users because I'm not in that position. I don't want to have significant emotional trauma later on because I have some personal issues that I've struggled with in the 12 years since I was born. I don't want to give more details because it's something personal. I just want the account closed.

Thank you! AlessioLupu7 (talk) 07:03, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

As requested, your account will be deleted. Tvchannellists (talk) 14:10, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

I need help with the hope to be added digital cable category.

Help! I Don't know how to create another cell! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Meatyproctor83 (talk • contribs) .

Hello, perhaps this wikitext tutorial from Wikipedia may be useful: Help:Wikitext --Rat in a cage (talk) 10:02, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

New Website

@tvchannellists: Should there be a new spinoff website focusing on romania because romania has the most pages and we want it to have another home —Preceding unsigned comment added by PrevueEditor2point0 (talk • contribs) .

@PrevueEditor2point0: I suppose it's not really up to TVCL's admin team whether the Romanian editors want to make a new site just for Romanian listings or not but happy to continue hosting Romanian listings here on TVCL if that's what you guys decide. Tvchannellists (talk) 01:37, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

@PrevueEditor2point0: Looking at your user page it should be your fantasy lineups (of which there are over 100), that should have another home. I'm not sure who this "we" is.

@PrevueEditor2point0: You should be lucky that there are enthuasists like us Romanians that contribute to this website, without us, TVCL would be much more emptier. CristiChiri10 (talk) 18:08, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

@PrevueEditor2point0: If a specific country is well documented here, I don't see why that should bother you. On the contrary, it could motivate you to put in the work and improve the coverage for your own country, and this website would be better for it. — Afelix (talk) 22:58, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Weird sock/ban evasion behaviour?

How many times is User:TattooedLeprechaun/User:JasonTheJester/User:Zylokai going to leave due to "distractions", only to come back a day later? CillBill (talk) 16:12, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Who are these other people? I've never been on this site before? 🤨 Zylokai (talk) 18:34, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

I've been mulling this over for a few days to try and understand the site and figure out while Cillbill said what they said. I am in college/university, and I live in student accommodation. There's 500+ students in this student accommodation. I've learnt that there is an DNS server or outgoing IP address, or something like that, on the student accommodation building that appears as my IP address. One of my mates works in the IT Dept and I was chatting to them about this and they confirmed this. They said this is used to track usage of students, so they aren't looking at adult content or phishing websites and the like. Anyhoo, I'm rambling, I found JasonTheJester, well, a very similar name (private message me for it, not saying it in a public forum) in the student list. Couldn't find "TattoedLeprechaun" though. Curse my ADHD, I did this, instead of work I needed to do. But it was annoying me. Ha. Zylokai (talk) 10:30, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@CillBill: Seemingly endlessly, even with eyes closed. But we'll keep playing whack-a-mole --Rat in a cage (talk) 19:07, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

I'd also like @Tvchannellists: 's input regarding this rampant abuse of the "vanish" right we have. I can't recall a situation where it wasn't used for deceptive / malicious socking --Rat in a cage (talk) 19:22, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@Zylokai: It's very strange how TattedFaceJoey's (another alias) posts on the Sky Help forum coincided with JasonTheJester's edits here. Though that account was deleted when you switched to "Zylokai" [4] And also when "JasonTheJester" incorrectly used the term "ident" [5] and "TattooedLeprechaun" did the same thing on Wikipedia a few months earlier [6] These edits also seem very similar for a "new" user [7] [8] 🤔

And how could I forget the reformatting of the Sky Q/Glass lists right before and after making a new account. Is this really what you want to waste your life doing? CillBill (talk) 20:21, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi @CillBill:, I had blocked the accounts a couple of hours ago. I think no off-wiki evidence is needed for things such as clear cut as this, and based on this user's pattern I think the best course of action is not to dive into these silly attempts at looking like a new user. --Rat in a cage (talk) 20:34, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Another archive logo restoration

Can this logo also please be restored:

File:BT Sport Box Office WWE HD.png

? POWERStarz2004 (talk) 13:39, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

@POWERStarz2004: Done. --Rat in a cage (talk) 21:46, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Account deletion request

Hello, I would like to get my account deleted, so that I can pursue something else rather than TV lists. Thank you, goodbye. CristiChiri10 (talk) 21:14, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

@CristiChiri10: May I ask if there is a reason as to why a simple UserLogout would not work? We are having an abundance of people requesting account deletion and then returning... immediately under a new account. It has become deceptive and most importantly, tiring to deal with because these "never returning... not" requests are coming in so often. I am placing this on hold and paging @Tvchannellists: for his view on the situation. --Rat in a cage (talk) 21:44, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

@CristiChiri10: Look, I am not one of those people. I know someone that constantly lied about deleting his account but returned 2 days later. I never said that I am "never returning back". I just said that I wanted to suspend my account for the time being. I am pursuing something else rather than TV lists. Thank you for listening. CristiChiri10 (talk) 11:01, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

@CristiChiri10: You mentioned originally that you want a deletion but afterwards you said to just "suspend for the time being". If we delete (merge) your account, you won't be able to get it back. If you want a suspension, we can block your account for a time period instead. Tvchannellists (talk) 00:04, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

@Tvchannellists: Yeah ok, my fault. Don't block my account because who knows when I will return? Sorry, I worded my request poorly. No problem. I'll just logout. Thank you. CristiChiri10 (talk) 11:17, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Thumbnails not generating

I didn't realise how large File:Red Adventure.png was when I uploaded it, now thumbnails are not getting generated for new images (File:Serien+.png, File:Just Fishing.png) I'll make sure to resize them before uploading them next time. CillBill (talk) 18:12, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

@CillBill: Will take a look, thanks for reporting! --Rat in a cage (talk) 18:19, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi @CillBill:, there's data in these PNGs in particular that definitely confuses the imagemagick, so the convert command that MediaWiki calls fails. Are they from a common source?

I am thinking that maybe the plaintext XMP in the PNGs are causing an issue:


iTXtXML:com.adobe.xmp^@^@^@^@^@<?xpacket begin="ï»¿" id="W5M0MpCehiHzreSzNTczkc9d"?>
<x:xmpmeta xmlns:x="adobe:ns:meta/" x:xmptk="Adobe XMP Core 5.6-c145 79.163499, 2018/08/13-16:40:22">
<rdf:RDF xmlns:rdf="http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#">
<rdf:Description rdf:about="" xmlns:xmp="http://ns.adobe.com/xap/1.0/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:xmpMM="http://ns.adobe.com/xap/1.0/mm/" xmlns:stEvt="http://ns.adobe.com/xap/1.0/sType/ResourceEvent#" xmlns:stRef="http://ns.adobe.com/xap/1.0/sType/ResourceRef#">
</rdf:Description>
</rdf:RDF>
</x:xmpmeta>
<?xpacket end="w"?>

Unfortunately I haven't found a way of removing the XMP tags manually without breaking the PNG completely and I do not know out of the gate how frequent these tags are, so I am unable to troubleshoot exactly and this is just a guess, it could also be the binary data that is causing the issue and not headers.

As a second opinion of the image-specific issue, I am unable to open these PNGs in Krita (Unix image editor either) either. Could you try on your own end (Photoshop / Paint.net / Gimp / something else), recompress the vanilla image (I hope it will be exported without these tags in order for better troubleshooting) and try again?

Regards, --Rat in a cage (talk) 19:05, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

I figured it out, I had accidentally checked "attach metadata" in Photopea when exporting. Sorry for wasting your time! CillBill (talk) 19:20, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

@CillBill: Looks like that was it, the tags are gone and imagemagick is able to properly convert the image.

No no, thank you for the experience in regards to things like this happening. :-) --Rat in a cage (talk) 19:23, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

User vandalising once again

Hello, there is a user called Marcu Andrei that vandalizes TV lists, such as deleting the pages and then reverting 1 minute later. Please block account.

Here are the link: https://www.tvchannellists.com/w/User:Marcu_Andrei

Thank you IceCoolExtreme (talk) 21:14, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello @IceCoolExtreme:. Thank you for your report. This user has been blocked now. Tvchannellists (talk) 10:38, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Small note

Hi, I've left you on a note on our channel of communication regarding the site infrastructure. - Rat in a cage (talk) 15:26, 15 February 2024 (UTC)